Server Location

[Phazis]

While we are working on a deal to get us a server we need to determine best ping times for our players.
What I do need few of you to do is ping the following servers and post the results:

69.93.246.225
72.51.60.157
64.34.240.111
72.36.222.131

To make it clear how I need it I will post my current results from work:


Pinging 69.93.246.225 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=46
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=46
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=46
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=46

Ping statistics for 69.93.246.225:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 44ms, Maximum = 44ms, Average = 44ms


Pinging 72.51.60.157 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=111
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=104ms TTL=111
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=104ms TTL=111
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=104ms TTL=111

Ping statistics for 72.51.60.157:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 104ms, Maximum = 105ms, Average = 104ms


Pinging 64.34.240.111 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=107ms TTL=111
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=111
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=111
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=111

Ping statistics for 64.34.240.111:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 105ms, Maximum = 107ms, Average = 105ms


Pinging 72.36.222.131 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=56ms TTL=107
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=54ms TTL=107
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=54ms TTL=107
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=107

Ping statistics for 72.36.222.131:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 54ms, Maximum = 56ms, Average = 54ms

[xtermin8te]

Ok here are my results!   

From Xtermin8te to Dallas Server:

Pinging 69.93.246.225 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=42
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=42
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=42
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=42

Ping statistics for 69.93.246.225:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% los
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 59ms, Maximum = 62ms, Average = 60ms

From Xtermin8te to Chicago Server:

Pinging 72.51.60.157 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=54ms TTL=110
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=110
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=110
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=110

Ping statistics for 72.51.60.157:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 53ms, Maximum = 60ms, Average = 55ms

From Xtermin8te to 64.34.240.111:

Pinging 64.34.240.111 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=64ms TTL=110
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=64ms TTL=110
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=63ms TTL=110
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=63ms TTL=110

Ping statistics for 64.34.240.111:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 63ms, Maximum = 64ms, Average = 63ms

From Xtermin8te to 72.36.222.131:

Pinging 72.36.222.131 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=107ms TTL=103
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=108ms TTL=103
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=106ms TTL=103
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=108ms TTL=103

Ping statistics for 72.36.222.131:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 106ms, Maximum = 108ms, Average = 107ms

[Hawkes]

Try this host....

64.34.180.28
64.34.180.198

66.135.39.99
66.135.40.8

72.51.33.9
72.51.36.1

[Dracneir]

Pinging 69.93.246.225 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=45
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=96ms TTL=45
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=96ms TTL=45
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=96ms TTL=45

Ping statistics for 69.93.246.225:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 94ms, Maximum = 96ms, Average = 95ms

Pinging 72.51.60.157 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=111
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=111
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=111
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=111

Ping statistics for 72.51.60.157:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 92ms, Average = 91ms

Pinging 64.34.240.111 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=111
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=89ms TTL=111
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=89ms TTL=111
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=111

Ping statistics for 64.34.240.111:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 89ms, Maximum = 94ms, Average = 90ms

Pinging 72.36.222.131 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=108
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=108
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=108
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=108

Ping statistics for 72.36.222.131:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 94ms, Maximum = 95ms, Average = 94ms

[WildShadow]

C:\Documents and Settings\Ranyk>ping 69.93.246.255

Pinging 69.93.246.255 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 12.96.160.12: bytes=32 time=66ms TTL=238
Reply from 12.96.160.12: bytes=32 time=64ms TTL=238
Reply from 12.96.160.12: bytes=32 time=63ms TTL=238
Reply from 12.96.160.12: bytes=32 time=63ms TTL=238

Ping statistics for 69.93.246.255:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 63ms, Maximum = 66ms, Average = 64ms

Pinging 72.51.60.157 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=117
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=117
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=117
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=117

Ping statistics for 72.51.60.157:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 31ms, Average = 30ms

Pinging 64.34.240.111 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=117
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=117
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=117
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=117

Ping statistics for 64.34.240.111:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 28ms, Maximum = 29ms, Average = 28ms

Pinging 72.36.222.131 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=57ms TTL=110
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=110
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=110
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=58ms TTL=110

Ping statistics for 72.36.222.131:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 52ms, Maximum = 58ms, Average = 55ms

[AlexFirestorm]

Pinging 69.93.246.225 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=51
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=51
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=51
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=51

Ping statistics for 69.93.246.225:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 35ms, Maximum = 41ms, Average = 38ms

Pinging 72.51.60.157 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=121
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=121
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=121
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=121

Ping statistics for 72.51.60.157:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 14ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 15ms

Pinging 64.34.240.111 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=121
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=121
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=121
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=121

Ping statistics for 64.34.240.111:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 14ms


Pinging 72.36.222.131 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=115
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=115
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=115
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=115

Ping statistics for 72.36.222.131:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 40ms, Maximum = 46ms, Average = 42ms

[AlexFirestorm]

Pinging 64.34.180.28 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.180.28: bytes=32 time=49ms TTL=117
Reply from 64.34.180.28: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=117
Reply from 64.34.180.28: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=117
Reply from 64.34.180.28: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=117

Ping statistics for 64.34.180.28:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 33ms, Maximum = 49ms, Average = 38ms


Pinging 64.34.180.198 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.180.198: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=116
Reply from 64.34.180.198: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=116
Reply from 64.34.180.198: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=116
Reply from 64.34.180.198: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=116

Ping statistics for 64.34.180.198:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 36ms, Maximum = 38ms, Average = 37ms


Pinging 66.135.39.99 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 66.135.39.99:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),


Pinging 66.135.40.8 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 66.135.40.8: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=114
Reply from 66.135.40.8: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=114
Reply from 66.135.40.8: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=114
Reply from 66.135.40.8: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=114

Ping statistics for 66.135.40.8:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 43ms, Maximum = 47ms, Average = 44ms



Pinging 72.51.33.9 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.33.9: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=117
Reply from 72.51.33.9: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=117
Reply from 72.51.33.9: bytes=32 time=68ms TTL=117
Reply from 72.51.33.9: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=117

Ping statistics for 72.51.33.9:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 68ms, Maximum = 83ms, Average = 72ms


Pinging 72.51.36.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.36.1: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=117
Reply from 72.51.36.1: bytes=32 time=61ms TTL=117
Reply from 72.51.36.1: bytes=32 time=61ms TTL=117
Reply from 72.51.36.1: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=117

Ping statistics for 72.51.36.1:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 61ms, Maximum = 72ms, Average = 64ms

[ZONK]

My Results from Phazis list :

Pinging 69.93.246.225 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time =34ms TTL=53
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time =35ms TTL=53
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time =36ms TTL=53
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time =33ms TTL=52

Packets Sent = 4 Received = 4 Average time = 34ms

Pinging 72.51.60.157 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from  72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time =53ms TTL=120
Reply from  72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time =55ms TTL=120
Reply from  72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time =55ms TTL=120
Reply from  72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time =57ms TTL=120

Packets Sent = 4 Received = 4 Average time = 55ms

Pinging 64.34.240.111 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time =53ms TTL=120
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time =58ms TTL=120
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time =55ms TTL=120
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time =54ms TTL=120

Packets Sent = 50 Received = 47 (6% loss) Average time = 55ms (I saw noticable packet loss so tested larger sample to get more appox. percent)

Pinging 72.36.222.131 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time =49ms TTL=110
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time =51ms TTL=110
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time =49ms TTL=110
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time =53ms TTL=110

Packets Sent = 4 Received = 4 Average time = 50ms

------------------------------

ZONK

[Hawkes]

Here's my times...

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.


Pinging 69.93.246.225 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51

Ping statistics for 69.93.246.225:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 43ms, Maximum = 43ms, Average = 43ms


Pinging 72.51.60.157 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=118
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=118
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=118
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=118

Ping statistics for 72.51.60.157:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 31ms, Average = 30ms


Pinging 64.34.240.111 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=118
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=118
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=118
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=118

Ping statistics for 64.34.240.111:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 31ms, Maximum = 38ms, Average = 32ms


Pinging 72.36.222.131 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=114
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=114
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=114
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=114

Ping statistics for 72.36.222.131:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 47ms, Maximum = 50ms, Average = 48ms

[Phazis]

my home results from Brooklyn, NY

Pinging 66.93.246.225 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 66.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=242
Reply from 66.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=45ms TTL=242
Reply from 66.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=242
Reply from 66.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=242

Ping statistics for 66.93.246.225:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 33ms, Maximum = 45ms, Average = 38ms


Pinging 72.51.60.157 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=114
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=114
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=114
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=114

Ping statistics for 72.51.60.157:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 28ms, Maximum = 35ms, Average = 30ms


Pinging 64.34.240.111 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=114
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=114
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=114
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=114

Ping statistics for 64.34.240.111:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 31ms, Maximum = 35ms, Average = 32ms


Pinging 72.36.222.131 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=102
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=99ms TTL=101
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=101
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=96ms TTL=102

Ping statistics for 72.36.222.131:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 95ms, Maximum = 100ms, Average = 97ms

[DaveyCrockett]

Southern PA

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 69.93.246.225

Pinging 69.93.246.225 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=47
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=47
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=47
Reply from 69.93.246.225: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=47

Ping statistics for 69.93.246.225:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 92ms, Maximum = 92ms, Average = 92ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 72.51.60.157

Pinging 72.51.60.157 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=115
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=67ms TTL=115
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=115
Reply from 72.51.60.157: bytes=32 time=67ms TTL=115

Ping statistics for 72.51.60.157:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 65ms, Maximum = 67ms, Average = 66ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 64.34.240.111

Pinging 64.34.240.111 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=67ms TTL=115
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=115
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=67ms TTL=115
Reply from 64.34.240.111: bytes=32 time=67ms TTL=115

Ping statistics for 64.34.240.111:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 65ms, Maximum = 67ms, Average = 66ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 72.36.222.131

Pinging 72.36.222.131 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=113ms TTL=109
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=109
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=116ms TTL=109
Reply from 72.36.222.131: bytes=32 time=107ms TTL=109

Ping statistics for 72.36.222.131:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 105ms, Maximum = 116ms, Average = 110ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>

[10t0n]

this post gives me a headache

[Jim Tressel]

this post gives me a headache

Agreed.