This should be interesting.... what would you do with.....

[Arctic]

Man we are just getting flooded with Wasted Epics people :/

Let it go, or go join chow

[Reddawn]

or we turn off signatures.....I always found those things are lame

[Stugots]

They're actually Wolverines that, in the absence of the guild, decided to continue the game they like to play, however they could.

[Nightstalker]

or we turn off signatures.....I always found those things are lame

This.

Kill the Wasted Epics sigs, its an insult

They're actually Wolverines that, in the absence of the guild, decided to continue the game they like to play, however they could.

And yet The Wolverines guild is still there, often with 3-5 people on, so therefore there was no absence, and therefore they aren't The Wolverines in WE, they are The Wasted Epics


I find chow's stance quite curious, but the more I see WE character signatures, the more I begin to understand his point.

It would be one thing if the Wolv guild had disbanded, and players went to another server. Its something else entirely when the Wolv guild is still active, and the players have gone to a guild which is on the same server, and to which has had a negative history with Wolv. inc.

And Stu you of all people should know better.

How long did me, you, Chow, and Nick play without capitulating to another guild in the beginning?

6 months? 8 months? And this was long before and cross server shit, like the WoW players of today have access to. Now they can just queue up with groups from across other zones to do pvp and big instances

We had to bow and scrap to other guilds in order to try and get instance runs ins, and hardly ever could we negotiate for all of us to get in. And sit in pvp battlegrounds to try and derive some pleasure from getting farmed 10 on 6, or have to play politics in order to get into a group to pvp.

And there was opportunity for all of us to join other guilds that were able to run the bigger instances, yet we refused, because we figured some day we would be capable enough to do it on our own. And that day came.

And how many jackasses had we supported with gold, items, quest run throughs only to have them leave us to another guild, in the process of trying to recruit?

I get Chow's frustration, because all that effort put into working to build The Wolverines, not just for new people brought in, but even for core people like a Mev, or Alchanor, or Sultress in the end meant fucking nothing when they defected to a guild we despised, and at a time when the Wolv. guild was not dead, nor is it now.


No, WE is the enemy, and those that play with them have elected to not play with the Wolv guild, which has not died.


Otherwise whats the point of this organization in general? Maybe when the few of us move on to another game which WE has happened to move on to, maybe we can be honored to provide some more players for them.

So I ask then is this site just a chat hub for Wasted Epics? OR ARE YOU FUCKING WOLVERINES!

ABSORB. DO NOT BE ABSORBED. OTHERWISE GET THE FUCK OUT!!

[Stugots]

But...most of the wolverines left.  The people that are still playing, members here, had to do what they had to do to keep playing the game that they like.  Personally there is no fucking way I would play in some silly militaristic raiding hardcore guild.  But to each his or her own.

When we played for a long time it was because it was new, we were leveling up, learning and hadn't gotten to the end content.  All of us that left, left because we realized the game is bullshit and same old same old.  I think the hardcore hatred stance against people who joined the guild while we were all there raiding and teaming, and then we left forcing them to either pug every instance and raid or join another guild, is silly.  Especially when alot of them weren't even in the guild when it all went down.  90% of the people who post here don't even play wow, especially hardcore anymore, if even on Malygos.

Mev Alch and Sultress don't even come here anymore as far as I know, and the people that still do, well good.  I'd like to think that friendships were forged that transcend a game and that maybe one day we'll all do it again in something new.

As far as Ch0w holding a grudge about it.  Come on man, its been years.  The people that actually stuck it in our ass when that happened are long gone.  What I don't get is Ch0w being all dramatic about it .....again, deleting his account etc etc etc.  Guess I just can't understand why he does that.  I mean, c'mon dude....  there's still a bunch of us here from planetside, wouldn't the friendships he's had since what...'02, 03, or whenever it happened, mean more to him than getting screwed by some jackoffs a few years ago that ultimately made little difference in the game? 

[Arctic]

My big Question to night and Ch0w

Do you think the people from WE that left the Wolves sit around taking about how great it was when the left us or do you think they have a life and have moved past it like you should........ Get a theapist.

[Nightstalker]

I think the hardcore hatred stance against people who joined the guild while we were all there, and raiding, and teaming, and then we left, forcing them to either pug every instance and raid or join another guild is silly.  

As far as I understand it, the guild was in position to stand on it's own merits, right before it got absorbed by WE.  Sultress had aquired a few minor guilds, so it's not like they were lacking the people, even at least for a 10 man.

On top of that they were raiding with WE, so they had access to get the content as The Wolverines, and there was no need to get absorbed if thats the case. And as its told to me it was mutual, so WE weren't getting the raids done without Wolverines to fill out. That would leave the door open to recruit some of them, rather than capitulate the guild.

And as to the point I previously made earlier about just 4 of us playing, we had been 60 for a long while, and we were missing out on end game content for a long time before things started getting better.

You mean to say that we were the only 4 people that could stick it out in tough times and be bothered to try and build onto what we had? There was easily much more than that just before the mass exodus to WE.

As far as Ch0w holding a grudge about it.  Come on man, its been years.  The people that actually stuck it in our ass when that happened are long gone.

They are long gone up until they log in here to chat it up flying some WE banners.

My big Question to night and Ch0w

Do you think the people from WE that left the Wolves sit around taking about how great it was when the left us or do you think they have a life and have moved past it like you should........ Get a theapist.

Dude I ain't even going to try and respond to that. You need to drop some Mavis Beacon on that shit.

Also if you hadn't noticed, Chow can't answer your question jackass.

[Paul]

Lol Wow drama, you woulda thought it would die when the game did. /sigh

[Nightstalker]

You still sore about your characters getting whooped up on in DDO eh?

[Stugots]

I'm telling you Night, the people that caused the drama, no longer come here.  You weren't even playing when it happened, how can you make comments like that?  Matter of fact, I think this conversation is over from my side.  There was 2 people that were really pissed and hurt when it happend.  Ch0wdah and me...we held the grudge the longest.  But as I said, its just a stupid game, that I'm not even interested in playing any more. 

Not worth any more thought from me at least.

[Nightstalker]

Alrighty-roo

But I reserve the right to be disgusted by former members flying banners here from a guild that has only done harm to Wolv. inc.

And how can I make comments like that?  I can say that and be that way because i've put my time and effort in to be able to do so, and anyone that thinks contrary to that can suck my fucking cock.

And actually come to think of it, I was there for the tail end of it. When Alch, Mev, and Ella left. I talked to Mev and Alch about it, and I tried to preserve the interests of the Wolverines by weening them off WoW and getting them to play DDO with me, and with the others that started playing there, Dan etc.. If you get a chance to talk to those former members, then you can ask them yourself. BTW props to Dan for trying to reestablish wolv interests elsewhere.

So thats how I can fucking make comments like that Stu.


But I digress. If thats how you and some members feel thats on you I respect that. But you also need to respect the fact that myself and a few other members might take the effort they put in a little more seriously, and get offended by people that gave up.


Like I said, I really wasn't phased about it, nor did I really get chow's perspective until the spam of WE character banners of recent. At the very least they need to get a clue to turn them off here.

[Hawkes]

Wow.... talk about derailing my thread.

Listen, some people moved on because they are tired of hearing all this and others just because they're done with gaming.  Honestly, the Wolverine organization was set up to be casual and this is one of the things that will happen as a result.  So what do we do about it?  Well, let's see..... kick everyone that isn't a true Wolverine and close our doors to those that have been with us since PS?  No, I don't think so.  Uhm.... try to re-organize the Wolverines under a charter and make the organization adhere to the charter and become more "professional" or "hardcore"?  No, I think I tried to steer things that way and was shot down from all directions because we are a casual group.  What else?  Call it what it is.... an absolute cluster fuck that has changed the face of the Wolverines and turned what used to be the absolute best place to game and hang out into a site where people who have become connected via one game or another can continue to keep in touch.

[thrun]

A kramer bass, aluminum neck from the late 70s ~ 1000
pay off some debt with the rest and maybe grab some odds and ends music gear wise.

[Nightstalker]

Wow.... talk about derailing my thread.

One would have to agree that there's been a slight change of course in this thread 




Also renting a private yacht into the Carib doesn't sound so bad right about now.

Rock out with some Sean Paul and Sunny fishing.
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[Troyer]

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