Swearing an Oath

[thrun]

There is no god. Discuss.

Incorrect.

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Counter point

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[Redbear8]

There is no god. Discuss.

Incorrect.

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Exhaustive list of reasons why you're wrong.

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[thrun]

There is no god. Discuss.

Incorrect.

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Counter point

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Exhaustive list of reasons why you're wrong.

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Rebuttal and retort.

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[Varg]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#

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(this video is graphic at points, and very deep, if this bothers you i wouldnt click)

[Fendan]

Really Varg

HAHAHAHAHAHHA Awesome. Yes im staying out of that Oath thread.
+1

Now back to the discussion

God real, delusional, or a lie
 
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[Hawkes]

There is no god. Discuss.

Incorrect.

Discuss.

Hmm.... why do we have to say his/her/it's name is god?  Could it just be the creator, the designer, the fabricator?  I mean honestly.... if you want to believe that something HAD to start all this by pushing an atom here or there, then certainly anybody could call this whatever it is whatever they want.

[Paul]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#

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(this video is graphic at points, and very deep, if this bothers you i wouldnt click)

discuss what? looks like a bunch of smug assholes who think they are really smart and want to get rid of religion.

[Nightstalker]

Hmm.... why do we have to say his/her/it's name is god?  Could it just be the creator, the designer, the fabricator?  I mean honestly.... if you want to believe that something HAD to start all this by pushing an atom here or there, then certainly anybody could call this whatever it is whatever they want.

I dont see "God" as a name, but rather a position or such really.

You can go with the Creator, the head cheese, whatever.

[Kastil]

Hmm.... why do we have to say his/her/it's name is god?  Could it just be the creator, the designer, the fabricator?  I mean honestly.... if you want to believe that something HAD to start all this by pushing an atom here or there, then certainly anybody could call this whatever it is whatever they want.

You could just call him "Kastil"

I dont see "God" as a name, but rather a position or such really.

You can go with the Creator, the head cheese, whatever.

[Jim Tressel]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#

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(this video is graphic at points, and very deep, if this bothers you i wouldnt click)

discuss what? looks like a bunch of smug assholes who think they are really smart and want to get rid of religion.

Perhaps they are really smart and they just appear smug and assholey to you because you disagree with their stance.  This is a normal reaction when one's superstitions feel threatened.

In fact, that's pretty much what this entire thread is: Knee-jerk superstition defense.  

Hear ye! Hear ye! I declare it to be irrefutable fact that my soul, insofar as we can conceive of such things given our cognitive inability to decipher the great depths and complexities of the Universe surrounding, was birthed into my consciousness-less body through my most sacred orifice upon consuming my first box of Kraft^tm macaroni and cheese.  It only stands to reason then (and I will not have my convictions swayed in this regard), that Kraft^tm is my true Lord and Savior and it's subsidiaries, both domestic and abroad, are the apostles of my faith.  Make no claim otherwise, and I will not further pursue my unending desire to publicly chastise you for being a smug asshole.  Challenge my well-documented, allegory-based belief system and I will bring this forum to its proverbial electronic knees with mile-long posts laced with only the finest internet snark!!!  SNARK, I SAY!

[Unnormal]

Fuck you all Julia Child has all the answers, she's cooking primordial soup. 
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Also, the experiment in here clearly defies the laws of thermodynamics as Unno understands them, since all they did was add some fucking energy and they got more complex structures out of it. 

IT'S UNPOSSIBLE!

lol Thrun I hope this was in jest :-). I appreciate the humor, and I want to let you know that I know how much it sucks to have your belief system constantly questioned. As a Bible believing Christian I feel like I have a PHD in taking constant crap. But, you being a scientific minded person I felt it was necessary to point out one of the major problems in Darwinism. As someone seeking to know and refute creationist apologetics would you have preferred I not point it out?

As far as it violating the law of entropy. I did mention teleonomic systems, which in my head I thought I had my bases covered. But that only applies to biology. Perhaps better put as the law of entropy can only be suspended or reversed by an external source of ordering. If something is subject to other natural laws they might temporarily find increased order based on something like gravity, pressure, chemical bonding ect.. Of course all of theses things are still subject to the law of entropy, in ideal conditions external sources of ordering temporarily suspend or reverse entropy. That is completely bound to natural laws including entropy. There is no possibility of such things applying to the creation of life or DNA or a protein. It is UNPOSSIBLE 

In case any of you aren't up to date on your science the Miller experiment demonstrated in the video was refuted in the mid 70's and then dismissed in 95. I could go into a great deal of detail but one of Thrun's websites point it out one of the many issues well http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB035.html
While there attempts to try to make it seem like that isn't a big deal is pretty humorous I must point out my favorite.
Complex organic molecules form under a wide range of prebiotic conditions
LOL once again grasping for hope. To bad they don't define organic molecules, because what there talking about when realistic attempts were tried they rearranged chemicals into cyanide and formaldehyde. Death in a test tube, shame that doesn't help their cause.

[Paul]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#

Discuss.

(this video is graphic at points, and very deep, if this bothers you i wouldnt click)

discuss what? looks like a bunch of smug assholes who think they are really smart and want to get rid of religion.

Perhaps they are really smart and they just appear smug and assholey to you because you disagree with their stance.  This is a normal reaction when one's superstitions feel threatened.

In fact, that's pretty much what this entire thread is: Knee-jerk superstition defense.  

Ya i disagree with their stance because it's propaganda. They try to discourage the belief in Jesus with retarded arguments like his birth date on December 25, anyone with half a brain knows that's not his actual birth date. Of course the idiots watching this listening to the baseless arguments wont look into them for themselves and write them off as facts.

Its been a while since I've watched it but i got the gestalt of it. Abolish religion, institute a secular world government, and get rid of the free market monetary system, socialism never sounded so awesome!

[Unnormal]

lol and you aren't devoting hours to typing now? Those weren't questions I posted, those were facts.

Ya I have tomorrow off so Ill take the time for your benefit. I apologize if I came off as to harsh before. My point was simply I don't think your actually trying to find objective proof of the Bible or the person of Jesus. You were just looking for anything that you could find that would reaffirm what you already think.  I mean if you actually cared, you could probably Google every one of those "contradictions" and find the answer for yourself. But the real question is do you want the answer?

I mean so far almost everything you have pointed out to me as being a biblical principal has been wrong and in most cases the exact opposite.
Christians work hard or else they are damned.
A rhetoric that claims to unite all men
A rhetoric that divides men by encouraging elitism
Apparently it's not free, and there are restrictions... money.
God wants us to know of his existence, yet he goes about it third party through Jesus
God loves all his children, but he hates his children that don't follow.
Jesus died for your sins to be washed away, yet those sins keep popping up
Help others so you can help yourself from burning. ect.
How can you claim that something is false, when by your own statements it is clear you don't fully understand it?

Anyway, like I said I'll type you up a book of biblical knowledge tomorrow. For a while I thought why bother, but I <3 you.

[Ellanorah]

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[Varg]

EDIT: I wrote something arguing some things here, but im deleting it. Its not my place to try to tell anyone they are wrong or what to belive. Im not even sure what I belive honestly.
Religion and faith is a very person thing and arguing about it on the internet on a guild forum is not really respectful to anyone. Your not going to change anyones belief, its better to respect each other of our differences and how each have a unique controbution to society.







unless your nightstalker.... (just kidding man)