Swearing an Oath

[Nightstalker]

exactly.......

lol QFT. It feels good blasting Unno though 

[Redbear8]

i still say rhat it's 6 and not half a dozen...

Also, Thrun if you don't want to hear it don't ask the questions or jump in the debate. If you do it implies that while you don't "have" to hear it you want to.

[meowcow]

lmao, that actually happened as I was posting and I quote "Honey are you done there, I want you to come to bed with me"
have to admit going to bed with my wife was more fun than staying om computer tho.

[thrun]

i still say rhat it's 6 and not half a dozen...

Also, Thrun if you don't want to hear it don't ask the questions or jump in the debate. If you do it implies that while you don't "have" to hear it you want to.

You put forth the claim that you needed to spread the truth, and that you had it.  Then you claimed that your truth was yours and I have no use for it.  

Which is it?  

Either your truth needs spread to others and is the Truth with a big T, or your truth is yours and it is useless to me.  Can't be both.  

[Redbear8]

i still say rhat it's 6 and not half a dozen...

Also, Thrun if you don't want to hear it don't ask the questions or jump in the debate. If you do it implies that while you don't "have" to hear it you want to.

You put forth the claim that you needed to spread the truth, and that you had it.  Then you claimed that your truth was yours and I have no use for it. 

Which is it? 

Either your truth needs spread to others and is the Truth with a big T, or your truth is yours and it is useless to me.  Can't be both. 

Don't put words in my mouth. I said I needed to spread the word. The truth is up to each individual to find.

[thrun]

The word of what?  What does the word say, and what claims does the word make?  

and now that I think about it, what good is this word anyways if Truth is still left to the individual? 

[Aldoran]

I'm still waiting for answers to my post on page 15, I wonder if the pro-Christians missed it or dodged it?

/em taps foot

[Redbear8]

I'm still waiting for answers to my post on page 15, I wonder if the pro-Christians missed it or dodged it?

/em taps foot

Did you ignore the post where I answered them all?

The word of what?  What does the word say, and what claims does the word make? 

and now that I think about it, what good is this word anyways if Truth is still left to the individual? 

I guarantee that if you read back over this thread all of those questions have been answered. In fact you've been arguing against the responses to those questions for most of this thread.

What the hell is up with you two. It's like this thread started on this page.

[thrun]

I only see one reference to you saying "the word" and you never seem to clearly state what that word is, or why it is to be believed, or why it is of any use to anyone ever. 

[thrun]

do I have to do everything myself?
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[Redbear8]

I only see one reference to you saying "the word" and you never seem to clearly state what that word is, or why it is to be believed, or why it is of any use to anyone ever. 

The "word" is the word of the God that you choose not to believe in. That's the word. I figured as smart as you were you wouldn't need me to explain that to you. It seems fairly obvious by all the posts in this thread.

[thrun]

You have no proof that it is the word of god, and by saying that it is you are going back on your claim that the truth is personal and not universal.   I wouldn't need a translator or explanations if you didn't try to argue in circles. 



 

[Aldoran]

Just for fun. Also take note that all these questions are pointed at Christianity, so these are the beliefs of most Christian Doctrine.

Do you believe Homosexuality is immoral, and is there a place for homosexuals in your god's heaven?

According to the written word Homosexuality is immoral. Christianity teaches that there is a place for every single soul in heaven, should they choose to accept it. That being said, a lot of Christians are extremists and misconstrue personal fears and hatred as doctrine. They are just as bad as any other extremist.

Do you believe that people who are "Pro-Choice" and are for keeping Abortion legal and safe, or who have had or performed abortions, have a place in your god's heaven?

See the answer to question number one.

Do you believe that only through a belief in Christ and an acceptance of Jesus as your lord and savior will you be allowed into Heaven?

This is most certainly one of the core principles of Christianity. Jesus Christ, Christianity. See any similarities?

If one is not allowed into Heaven, is the only alternative eternal torment?

In most Christian Doctrine it's one or the other, but there are exceptions. Catholics believe in Purgatory for example.

If the job of Christians is to spread the word and save people from torment, what happens to those who reject those teachings? If I choose to remain a para-pagan agnostic with militant Atheist leanings after reading the word of god, will I be damned for eternity?

The job of Christians is to spread the word, saving yourself from eternal damnation is entirely up to you. It's a decision that you and only you can make. So According to Christian beliefs, if you choose to ignore the word of God after you read it, then yes you will spend an eternity in damnation

What about Edna Goldstein, the Orthodox Jewish lady down the street?

She doesn't accept Jesus Christ as her lord and savior so she's headed to the fiery pits. There's always time to repent however, so long as rapture doesn't happen right now.

What about Ahmed Muhammed Kaleed, my high school chum? He's Muslim but went to the pentecostal church a few times when dating Cindy Mason, so he heard the word of god and the truth of Jesus but stayed Muslim. Is he fucked right now?

This has the same answers as the two above it. Just because you hear the word of God doesn't mean you accept it. If you hear it but do not accept it you are damned until you do.

What about the hundred branches of Christianity? Which is right? As a catholic I was taught that there are sacraments and rules, observations and prayers, but we didn't do the whole "personal salvation" thing. We accepted big J as a part of the trinity, each no more or less important than the other, and we prayed to saints for intercession.

Your numbers are a bit off. There are over 2000 sects of Christianity in the U.S. alone, not counting however many others there are throughout the world. You're a horrible Catholic. Jesus is just as important in Catholicism as any of the other thousands of sects of Christianity. Without Jesus Christ there is no Christiantiy.

Are all the Catholics fucked? Or the Mormons? they have that whole extra bible and the thing with the guy and the tablets and stuff... They are pretty boned, right?

According to Christian beliefs if they accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior then they are not fucked. If they don't then they are. Why are you repeating the same question over and over with different names? It's not selective. Certain groups don't get in but others do. There are two groups, Saved and unsaved. Saved go to heaven unsaved go to hell. So once you've answered the first "Does ______ go to hell if he/she doesn't believe?" you've answered them all.

What about the Buddists, Taoists, Pagans, Wiccans, Druids, Atheists, polytheists (Greek pantheon worshipers, aztec revivalists, etc), and all the other believers (or not) out there who hear about Jesus, say "good for you" and then move on? Are they all banned from the Heaven of your understanding?

Yes they are.

Sorry I missed that post, Dunno how that happened, as I'm normally quite observant...

So, according to Rando's version of Christianity, Faggots who don't give up the dick and accept Jesus burn in hell. Along with EVERYONE ELSE who didn't pick the right religion.

Per google:
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
33% of the world's population are "Christian" that's an estimated  1.8 to 2.2 Billion people.

Per another source (http://www.wholesomewords.org/missions/greatc.html#religions ) Christianity clocks in approximately 2,199,817,400 folks, of which 1,121,516,000 are Catholic and damned to hell for not accepting Jesus as a personal savior*.

That leaves approximately 1,078,301,400 people of Christian faiths, some of which I'm sure you'd consider hellbound, folks that are gay, pro-choice, or otherwise believe differently than you can accept. BUT, for the sake of argument, let's assume the petty hatred for gays and liberals is a bit overblown, and your god is, indeed, merciful enough to allow every Christian who accepts Jesus into their heart (even if they're dirty faggots and baby killers) into heaven.

Knowing the population of this world is approximately 6,786,048,644 souls, and knowing that an Inflated number of "safe" Christians is appx. 1,078,301,400, we then can do some grade school math and see that... Only 15.88% of the Earth's population is a candidate for heaven.

Your Loving god grants eternal life to 84.12% of the population only to condemn them to fiery torment for all of eternity!

What kind of sick fucking deity could do that?

Your "truth" is a bit fucked up, man. You can strut around knowing your god is loving and good all you want, but remember, by following this god you are condoning his actions, and as anyone can tell you after seeing any Conan movie, followers of evil gods are often beheaded and fed to giant snakes.




*Catholics don't play with all that Personal pan Jesus shit, we have sacraments like baptism, confession, communion, and intercession by saints to handle all that stuff.

[Redbear8]

You have no proof that it is the word of god, and by saying that it is you are going back on your claim that the truth is personal and not universal.   I wouldn't need a translator or explanations if you didn't try to argue in circles. 

Again, with the silly proof argument. You're right, no one can prove what is or is not the word of God, since all that is physically visible was written and interpreted by man. Personal feeling is something completly different. If a deity can create all existence, then surely he is able to speak to people as he wishes. My personal truth, was the word of God as told to me by him. How he did that is something only I experienced at the time. The written word of god, is a road map to help you be open to hearing God when he speaks to you. Not everyone needs it. I didn't.

I believe that there is only one true God, but that isn't all I believe. I also feel there are many lesser deities people refer to as god's, but they were not the creators and life bringers. I believe that the ever so misunderstood "truth" is something that changes from person to person and is found in many different ways unique to every individual.

I believe the word of God is available for anyone as long as they are willing to see it. How you achieve that I can't answer as it changes for everyone.

The bottom line is, it takes faith. A faith you are curious about or you wouldn't so dutifully try to find holes in my logic, even if they aren't there. Faith isn't something someone can explain to you, it's a feeling. Either you have it or you don't. I'm not sure what you're looking for in this thread, but if it's to convince me that I'm wrong you're just as likely to succeed as I am in convincing you.

If god is omnipotent and omnipresent don't you think his truth is going to vary just as much as the beliefs humans have about him? There isn't one singular way to find truth, but when you find it it's up to you to accept it.

Most skeptics don't like religious debates nd find them flawed because there is no right answer. There are no right answers but there are most certainly wrong ones.

[Redbear8]

Sorry I missed that post, Dunno how that happened, as I'm normally quite observant...

So, according to Rando's version of Christianity, Faggots who don't give up the dick and accept Jesus burn in hell. Along with EVERYONE ELSE who didn't pick the right religion.

Per google:
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
33% of the world's population are "Christian" that's an estimated  1.8 to 2.2 Billion people.

Per another source (http://www.wholesomewords.org/missions/greatc.html#religions ) Christianity clocks in approximately 2,199,817,400 folks, of which 1,121,516,000 are Catholic and damned to hell for not accepting Jesus as a personal savior*.

That leaves approximately 1,078,301,400 people of Christian faiths, some of which I'm sure you'd consider hellbound, folks that are gay, pro-choice, or otherwise believe differently than you can accept. BUT, for the sake of argument, let's assume the petty hatred for gays and liberals is a bit overblown, and your god is, indeed, merciful enough to allow every Christian who accepts Jesus into their heart (even if they're dirty faggots and baby killers) into heaven.

Knowing the population of this world is approximately 6,786,048,644 souls, and knowing that an Inflated number of "safe" Christians is appx. 1,078,301,400, we then can do some grade school math and see that... Only 15.88% of the Earth's population is a candidate for heaven.

Your Loving god grants eternal life to 84.12% of the population only to condemn them to fiery torment for all of eternity!

What kind of sick fucking deity could do that?

Your "truth" is a bit fucked up, man. You can strut around knowing your god is loving and good all you want, but remember, by following this god you are condoning his actions, and as anyone can tell you after seeing any Conan movie, followers of evil gods are often beheaded and fed to giant snakes.




*Catholics don't play with all that Personal pan Jesus shit, we have sacraments like baptism, confession, communion, and intercession by saints to handle all that stuff.

Who said that's my version of Christianity? You ask questions about Christianity and I answered them based on what most Christians believe. Also, I don't much appreciate you twisting my words around, I haven't done that to your responses.

No, I didn't say that if "faggots" accept Jesus but don't give up dicks they go to hell. On the contrary. Once you accept Jesus you're in heaven. That's it. You will be held accountable for your actions, as in having to answer to God himself for each sin, but that doesn't mean you don't get in.

You're painting a picture of me that is way off base. I don't judge any man or woman. I have no place as I'm just as flawed as any of them. That's God's job. God is loving and merciful, but he is also vengeful.

In fact, until you do some reading and researching on your own I'm not going any further on your statements. All the basic doctrine is out there for you to read. Go have a look at what things actually say then come back for some good conversation. Don't make assumptions about all of Christianity then judge God based on them. Christiantiy like everything else was created by humans to worship God, meaning it's got it's flaws.

No religion is perfect, or 100% right for that matter.