Swearing an Oath

[ch0wdah]

Hats will conceal budding pineal antennae.

[Kastil]

"Kleeklop" should be capitalized.  Jeesus, you want to offend the overlords or something?

[Unnormal]

Thrun if you don't want to talk about the massive shortcomings of belief systems that don't acknowledge at least the possibility of a creator, thats fine. You brought up "vestigial" organs, invoking evolution, invoking Darwin. That is why I mentioned it. As far as wildly poking holes in the lexicon of human understanding. I don't have to science has done it for me. To continually find out that everything we thought were constants are not. It turns out they all are just theories, exactly my point. We know so very little about reality, yet people claim the Christianians cling to a fictional idea of a God.

What do I have to gain from saying all this other than mocking and ridicule? I'm certainly not saying all this for my benefit. But to challenge belief systems to make sure that what you believe corresponds with reality. It isn't fun to have your beliefs challenged but as Martin Luther King Jr. once said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter."

So I ask again, where is this god?   Which GOD is it?  If I am to find a personal god by seeking Truth, then are you placing a 0 value on which God?

God is truth, seeking truth is to seek God. It is no accident that, what we know today about the balance of life on this planet, ecosystems, microbiology, neurology, cosmology, physics, archeology, sociology, history, oceanography ect.. conform to the Biblical account of creation and the state of man. There is no rival belief system that even scrapes the surface.

Now I know that no proof which I could give you could ever convert or change your mind. Only God can do that. But I will challenge what you believe and how it corresponds to reality. Perhaps better put by 2 Timothy 4:3:
" For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

[thrun]

I never said that I wouldn't acknowledge god, I just need proof and a god to acknowledge.  I'm not gambling my existence on hear say.

Again you talk about it not being an accident that there is a balance that supports life on this planet while ignoring the fact the thre rest of the known universe doesn't have such a balance.  So a creator made one planet in the middle of a vast un inhabitable desert - Parts of which that will eventually explode and destroy our oasis.    Your problem is you are viewing man as the center of the universe.  Get over yourself, gravity doesn't give a shit about you and is not here for your benefit.  

Science is supposed to poke holes in it, which is how the process works.  You take understanding and build upon it then revise anything that conflicts with the evidence.  

AHHHH so now we have a God, the triune god of our glorious nation.  

I have some serious questions about why we should worship that one, since he's new on the block compared to some of the other gods.   (even some that are still around)  Id' rather throw my lot in with Zoroastrianism.

How you can you say that the universe in it's present state confirms a 6 day creation of our planet and the universe, when we know that the universe is at least 14 billion years old and the earth is right around 4.5 billion?  

Which creation story is the right one?  Genesis gives two different accounts.  How are either of these accounts confirmed by our understanding of natural process any more then any other creation myth?  
Genesis 1:1-2:3
Genesis 2:4-25

Why doesn't god heal amputees? (An oldie but a goody)

Why is your God the Truth and not Odin or Allah?  I can quote from the Koran or Prose Edda if you'd like, they are holy books as well.  Why dont' you use either of them to define your beliefs?

Since humanity predates any texts or religions followng this god, what happened to his creation before they knew of his existance?  If he created us in his likeness and made this universe for us, why didn't he clue us in to him right off the bat?

[thrun]

I xlaxclom why nobody has found anything that Jesus wrote reptoid.  What's kleepklop with that?  Didn't he have reptoid to Kluklom to?

Also, this is an interesting egg hatchery: http://www.queensnest.com

So, is this going to become "THE Reptoid Thread" to go along with "REPTOID Politics Thread?"

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I welcome this, since I have the same respect for reptoids that I do for religion. 

[Nightstalker]

"Kleeklop" should be capitalized.  Jeesus, you want to offend the overlords or something?

true true

[Unnormal]

I forget why nobody has found anything that Jesus wrote himself.  What's up with that?  Didn't he have anyone to write to?


Sorry I missed you gr0n, Jesus was  sent to Israeli to preach and teach to bring back the lost sheep. Israeli as God's chosen people being the lost sheep. His ministry was to them alone during this time. Though he talked about, and it was prophesied through out the old testament he would bring salvation to the Gentiles. His purpose while he was here was to save his people. He went through out the entire nation of Israeli both historically and biblically. There was no reason to write letters, as he was being followed and his message spread through out the region he wanted to effect, and actually went beyond that into other nations during that time. His ministry was only about three and a half years. Three in a half years which that in and of itself should be a testament to what occurred during that time, that he changed the world drastically in such a short period of time.

Now if part of that question is a way of asking how sure can we be that what was wrote about him was accurate as he didn't write it himself. We have the synoptic Gospels which based on how familiar you are with historical/biblical terminology. We have 4 accounts written directly about Jesus life and his teaching. The First 4 books of the NT. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Written by different people at slightly different times after his death. This is a long answer to such a short question so I apologize. But, to make it short these accounts affirm on a number of different levels the accuracy and validity of the story of Christ.

[ch0wdah]

the 4 fundamental forces didn’t exist for the first few moments

What about the 3 basic freedoms?

fast forward to the 9 minute mark. The 3 Basic Freedoms

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So some softcore is on the tv, and I thought about Snacks and Kith, but then I thought of a question.  If the sex in softcore always simulated, or is there actual yet disguised penetration?  It usually looks pretty fake.  I was just wondering if there would be any reason for hardcore pornographers to not film everything to reach a different market.

[Unnormal]

Thrun it is interesting that you would use the inability to support life else ware in our massive massive galaxy as an argument against design instead of for it? Perhaps the fine tunning of our planet is not just random chance? Or of your implying that if God were God why wouldn't he create life everywhere? The Cosmos was created that we might see the work of his hand and know that he is the Lord. If you look into not just the unimaginable probability for us being here, but also our ability to observe the universe form where we sit in it is incredible. The number of things that had to happen for us to be able to see beyond our own little corner.

Zoroastrianism
Zarathustra, never assumed to be a prophet. He never claimed he had associated with God. He never ordered his followers to perform certain activities, but he recommended them to try to know the creator of the earth and heaven and adopt good manner, on the basis of their wisdom. Therefore, Zarathustra was neither a prophet, nor can one call his spiritual path a “religion,” in a narrow sense ,rather he was a thoughtful benevolent who recognized his God on the basis of his wisdom and never said he had been missioned to bring any message from God to human beings.
He was also born by best estimates between 1700 BC-1500 BC
The book of Genesis written between 1406BC-1446BC Chronicles genealogies and events back to around 2200B.C.
On that same token Genesis 1:1-2:3 and  2:4-25 don't contradict each other Genesis one gives a chronilogical account of creation and ch 2. talks about the events in detail.

Now as far as the age of the earth and the universe. The constant berating that Christians think the Earth is only 6,000-12,000 years old is simply propaganda. That is how long we have history of mankind. From the creation period to the Fall of man there is no timeline, from the fall of man to the flood there is no timeline, and from the flood to the erection of the tower of Babel there is no timeline. (bear in mind this is the building of the tower not the ruins around which the city of Babylon was built later.) These times and the events of the times had to have taken a long, long, long, time. Now as far as how old the universe is as well as our planet. I would like to show you a timeline.
http://www.google.com/search?q=history+of+how+long+scientist+have+thought+the+earth+has+existed&hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS326US327&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=49etSpaYGJO8MNWg6PIN&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11
That is a history of the diffrentiation of dates for which scientist have thought the earth existed and why. Interesting stuff, and we can talk more about this later.

As far as HIM cluing humanity off to his existence right of the bat, HE did. The Bible talks about in some detail the events that lead to man rejecting GOD. Humanity predates any religious text, that in no way indicates that they had no prior knowledge of GOD in fact the text itself chronicles those early years.

My typing fingers are getting tired and it is late so I'll stop here for now. I'm very much enjoying our discussion, but I would respectfully ask that you would try to get in a few less questions, per post so that I can answer them properly and perhaps you can retort with less confusions to anyone else wanting to read this, and maybe my reply's won't have to be so long.   

[Ellanorah]

God is a physical being....

also, about islam having a different god...well...
Islam was started by Abrahams first son, that he had with Sarah's maid.
When sarah had Isaac, Hagar (it think is her name) was sent away with her son.  His descendant became the first muslims........

also, the bible has a LOT missing from it, there were a lot of gospels left out that disagreed with the things decided on in Nycea.
it has also be retranslated and retranslated numorous times and many of the important things were lost.

Jesus and God are 2 distinct and seperate beings, but one in purpose.

an oldie but a goodie - God is the ultimate scientist.

also
Death is not the end. 

[thrun]

I actually have a shit ton of work to do this morning, it may extend in to the afternoon so you can take your time answering the other questions.   I have a few more after that, but their are two I need answered first

Are you actually saying that you believe in a young earth?

And are you saying that the bible is the literal word of god, and that everything stated in it is a litleral history of existance?

Ella, if God is a phyiscal being then he is subject to the same rules as any other physical being.  And per creationists all physical beings had to have a creator, so who created god?

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The constant berating that Christians think the Earth is only 6,000-12,000 years old is simply propaganda.

Bullshit, there is a fast growing group of fundamentalist christians that think jesus rode dinosaurs and that the earth is only as old as the bible.  
http://www.answersingenesis.org/

Time lines are fun Unno, did you know that up to the 1800's Lightning hitting your house was considered an act of God?  And that there was a huge religious push against lightning rods?

I'm not rejecting your right to believe in your God, or even the notion of a god.  I (and I think most people who have the same objections I do)  Don't accept the explanation of "god did it"  Because if we didn't reject  that explanation I'd still have to worry about my home getting burnt to the ground because of a lightning bolt.  That is why I say metaphysics is useless in a conversation about the natural world.  

Does your church have a lightning rod on it?

Why doesn't Jesus heal amputees?

[Kastil]

also, about islam having a different god...well...
Islam was started by Abrahams first son, that he had with Sarah's maid.
When sarah had Isaac, Hagar (it think is her name) was sent away with her son.  His descendant became the first muslims........

Muslims are descended from him?--

[gr0n]

Science and Religion meet the same human need of explaining the world around us.  Both are largely theoretical in nature and various aspects of both cannot (yet) be proven.  As a species we have an incessant desire to understand everything around us, so we make up stories as to why things are that way.  Some more elaborate than others, some based on observation and logic, some based on dogma, some based on a need to unite peoples.  It all makes sense, really, if you step back and look at the big picture.  I think we're missing the forest for the trees here (or maybe I'm just somewhat impartial and not blinded/brainwashed by one side or the other).

When it comes down to it, the debate between science and religion will never end as long as they both exist.  Just like politics.  Which is generally why in-game it's a good idea to not get into debates on either subject.  However, Carlos Mencia jokes are allowed.

-gr0n

[thrun]

  It all makes sense, really, if you step back and look at the big picture.  I think we're missing the forest for the trees here (or maybe I'm just somewhat impartial and not blinded/brainwashed by one side or the other).

If you look back at the big picture they meet too entirely different needs, and aren't comparable in the slightest.  Science gives us a way to understand the world around us and make life better.  I don't go to a biologist for philosophical questions, unless they happen to be hella smart and just happen to know about such things. 

Religion provides unity and comfort for people that need it making their lives better.   But it offers no explanations of why things work the way they do, and trying to inject it in to a place where it has nothing relevant to say only slows down progress. 

[Reddawn]

My Holy Trinity: Amplification, distortion and down-tuned guitars. Believing in anything else just makes you a faggot in my book.