Swearing an Oath

[Paul]

Actually the bible does say in at least a couple of places that anyone who doesnt believe as it says has to die.  Add that to the fact that the god of the Hebrews butchered the firstborn of an entire nation just to prove how big his dick was and lets just say he is not a god I would worship, even if he is the "One True God" he's a dick.  There are a number of places that the bible spews hate and intolerance, I know because as a child my parents made me read it, which is one of the biggest reason I am not nor ever will be a christian.

if your referring the the account of exodus i don't think god was trying "to prove how big his dick was," he did it because the Hebrews were enslaved for about 400 years...so pharaoh wasn't such a nice guy to begin with.

As for your other claims they're all spoken in generalities so they don't hold much weight.

"Actually the bible does say in at least a couple of places that anyone who doesnt believe as it says has to die"

lol...hmmm, no  

[thrun]

unno

1.  Cause and effect, there we go again with the "god did it because I said he can"  crap.  

2.  You are in la la land here, no point in discussing it further

3.  What is god going to do with me if I don't believe in him?  Are you saying that your god isn't going to do anything negative to me if I don't kiss his ass?

[Unnormal]

Aldoran,
   Westburo baptist church has no biblical basis for their hatred or bigotry. There simply evil judgmental people. The "church" is the pastors family and like 4 other people.

Unno, interestingly you've done the same thing every Christian I've talked to did. you ignored the comment about invisible magical men and brought up the fear topic,

lol well first of all you will not find me dodging any questions or criticism. But, if you want to me to respond to blind attacks on God your mistaken. You didn't state any facts, or ask any questions, nor have you refuted any of what we have been talking about. If you have a legitimate criticism, I will be happy to respond. (just like westburo that is a legitimate criticism) Asking if I believe in "magic men" is hardly a question worth answering.

[Unnormal]

Cause and effect, there we go again with the "god did it because I said he can"

God is the best answer to life, maybe the only answer as other theories seem to be continually falling to pieces and resulting in talking about aliens and crystals creating life. You criticize but your coming up short on alternatives.

3.  What is god going to do with me if I don't believe in him?  Are you saying that your god isn't going to do anything negative to me if I don't kiss his ass?


Just like I said judgment comes according to what you have done. If you have not sinned and are guilty of no crime than, you have nothing to fear. But, you and I both know "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," Rom 3:23

[thrun]

The best answer to Life is currently, I don't know.  Since no answer that is given has any more proof of being right then the others

So since I have done no differently then anyone else, what is your god going to do to me if I don't kiss his ass?

[Reddawn]

what I am going to do to all of you....beat you within an inch of your life.

Can everyone shut up and go back to flirting with Ella...she needs some attention

[Paul]

i don't think it is fair to accuse religion of that unless the specific religion promotes that. While some religions say its OK to kill under certain circumstances, (for instance if you leave the faith of Islam your likely to get your head sawed off BY YOUR OWN FAMILY).  Of course there is corruption in religions just like there is in EVERYTHING. No where in the bible does it "condone ignorance, intolerance, barbarism, xenophobia, and war for profit."

Specific religion? Religions do a lot that isn't in their holy book, my friend. For example:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
Westburo baptist church. For them, God is an excuse for Bigotry, hate, and malice. They spread their hatred and bile to their children, and have picketed the funerals of servicemen who died in Iraq, chanting "Burn in hell, murderer" to their widows and children.

That's just one easy example, but here is another, slightly less psychotic example:
http://www.raptureready.com/faq/rap23.html
These kids hate Fags, Jews, Abortionists, Obama, Islam, Free speech, Witches, liberals, and some poor bastard named Benny Hinn. Oh, yeah, and Christmas trees. They hate fucking Christmas Trees!

thanks for proving my point.

[thrun]

thanks for proving my point.

Just to make sure I am being a dick to everyone equally, here's plenty of places where the bible tells us to do some pretty awful things.

http://www.evilbible.com/

[thrun]

Can everyone shut up and go back to flirting with Ella...she needs some attention

I refuse to flirt with angle shots. 

[Unnormal]

Good old Epicurus and an excellent question on his part and yours. The question comes from a misunderstanding of our existence. God created man with freewill, that he could love God freely. You have no idea the price tag God puts on freely given love. The universe is just one example, the death of his son is a second. He is both willing and able, and he will eradicate sin and make sure that just punishment is given. The Bible tells us that the reason he has allowed sin to go on for this long is he is patient, so that you me and everyone else has the opportunity to acknowledge him. Sin/evil is dissobedience to God. Freewill gives us the option to sin/do evil or not.

If he is both able, and willing? Then whence come evil? Answer free will. Remember that God didn't make man evil he made us perfect. Evil was a result of our choices. You will notice that, how patient God is with us is not alloted to his other creations. Need proof of this truth, go by a carton of eggs and a quarter pounder with cheese. Find a homeless man and decide for yourself, whether to feed him or egg the crap out him. Is one evil absolutely, but you have the ability to choose either and that goes for everything we do in our lives on a daily basis.

Now God does intervene and has through out history. Egypt, return of Israel, Jesus, ect. because he loves us. But, God's intervention is for his own purposes if he intervened every time there was evil that would eradicate our free will.

I would like to point out that most atheist who quote this deny that there are moral absolutes aka right and wrong. Which makes right and wrong (evil) a matter of opinion and not fact. Which of course completely discredits the question itself. After all what is evil if we don't have the knowledge of good and evil. If right and wrong are based simply on the sum total of your experienced and you were raised and taught to hate and murder black people, or to steal if you find it necessary who is to say those things are wrong. You can't unless you acknowledge morality, which is truth, which is God.

[Unnormal]

http://www.evilbible.com/
lol oh man I need to drop science on these kids, Thrun if you actually would like me to explain any passage of scripture feel free to ask I'm obviously not going to write the book on the misunderstandings and falsity's of this website.

[thrun]

Which makes right and wrong (evil) a matter of opinion and not fact.

There is no absolute right or wrong, morals and good/evil are relative to the situation.  

[thrun]

http://www.evilbible.com/
lol oh man I need to drop science on these kids, Thrun if you actually would like me to explain any passage of scripture feel free to ask I'm obviously not going to write the book on the misunderstandings and falsity's of this website.

here's a good one

    "I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers.  Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin.  There are no survivors to even tell what happened.  I thought, 'Surely they will have reverence for me now!  Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won't need to strike again.'  But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn."  So now the LORD says: "Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations.  For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them.  All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy.  "On that day I will purify the lips of all people, so that everyone will be able to worship the LORD together.  My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings.   (Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT)

[Jim Tressel]

Jesus fucking christ I had almost forgotten why people call you Nighttroll.

Did someone say Nighttroll?!

[Reddawn]

that picture is only rivaled by drunk leaning man