Hand Guns - who has them, opinions, suggestions, pics

[Garenth]

nice. i think gr0n might have me sold on the Sig Sauer P226, and I would like to get a colt M4 but the prices have shot up way too much. who wants to go shooting sometime?

Once finances get into a little better control for me I'd be up for it.  I've got a buddy that runs a range.


A private range bay at Big Darby Creek Shooting Range (BDCSR) on Sunday 23NOV2008 would be $75 for 4 hours (divided by the number of shooters, up to six total, not including me).  I will be the "Sponsoring Member" and the "Range Safety Officer" (Usually, there is a $25/hour fee for an RSO.  I will be acting in that capacity for no charge.  Hence me not paying a slice of the range fee). 
 
*BYO warm/foul weather gear--This will be outdoors. 
 
*BYO EyePro and EarPro--BDCSR does not rent or loan.  At the range, you will have to buy UGLY (we call them Birth Control Glasses for a reason) glasses for $3.00 and foam ear plugs for $.50.  You will not be allowed on the range without EyePro and EarPro, no exceptions.
 
*BYO Ammo (No armor piercing, incendiary, high explosive, or tracer ammo allowed)--I have firearms, in the following calibers, that I am willing to share:
Bring any brand, even Wolf.  The cheaper the ammo, the more we can shoot!
9mm autopistol
.38SPL revolver
.223Rem/5.56x45 rifle (AR)
7.62x39 rifle (AK)
12 gauge pump shotgun up to 3"
.22LR autopistol and .22LR autorifle
<<<EXCEPTION>>>  22LR must be 40grain, solid point, copper plated, high velocity such as Remington Golden bullet, CCI mini mag, etc.  22LR conversions are finicky, but much cheaper to shoot and wicked fun.
 
*BYO Firearms--Obviously, bring any of your own toys and ammo as well.  Do not plan on buying ammo at the range.  Availability is spotty at best, we do not stock a large number of calibers, and it will be expensive.  Try Wal-Mart for the best price, otherwise Gander Mountain for availability.
 
IMPORTANT NOTE:  If we shoot from 8AM-Noon, we will have the ranges to ourselves and can sight in on the Rifle Range or be "under roof" on the 50Yard Range if the weather is nasty.  If we start later, say 10AM, we can use the rifle range or the 50 Yard Range until Noon and then move to one of the Training/Competition Bays (T/C Bays are 30 yards deep) outside.  If we start at noon or later, we will be outdoors on a T/C Bay the entire time.  Whatever we do (whatever range we are on), it will need to be as a group.  We cannot split up because I am the only RSO.

If we pay a little extra I believe we can get the metal targets and have some real fun with those, I'd have to talk to my buddy about them again. If there are more of us that would want to go I might be able to talk him into doing it but we'd probably need to do it before they actually open on a Sunday.  Preferably I'd like to wait until it warms up again to do a shooting party.

I used to own a glock and loved it, easy to clean and take apart 6 pieces if I remember correctly and there's almost nothing you can do to it that will stop it from shooting.  Its not the easiest shooting gun but its one of the most reliable.
 

[Horgone]

For pistols; I have had several smith&wesson, never a bad one.
For long guns; I duck hunt and nothing can beat my belgium made browing over under.

Best of luck

[Ellanorah]

For the record, I live in a country where guns are not something Joe Average has. Also, we hear a lot about shootings and things that happen in America.  Granted, its probably very biased and what have you, but still.  I'm not saying that you guys are stupid or anything, I just don't see why people think they NEED guns.  If someone could explain to me the NEED for them, I'm all ears, but if you bring up the argument that criminals can get them so why can't we protect ourselves thing then you've totally lost me.  It's a load of crap.  I concede on the handguns, I think they are fine, but seriously what do you do with

??
I guess I just don't see the point.

- JT, yes we are all criminals, one of my anscestors was sent to Australia for highway robbery.

- Thrun, I can punctuate, I just get lazy on forums and choose not to.

- and Doom 2 ftw!

[Rakrarr]

I never fired a gun until I was in the air force, and the only one they made me learn about was a 9mm beretta.

I have plenty of friends who go to the range and I've fired 5 or 6 different types now,  including a M1 which was fun.  I felt like I was in a video game when the clip popped out with that "ping".  I don't claim to know shit about guns but I recommend a nice high powered revolver.  The satisfaction I got from firing one of those little disturbing. 

[Nightstalker]

If someone could explain to me the NEED for them, I'm all ears, but if you bring up the argument that criminals can get them so why can't we protect ourselves thing then you've totally lost me.

To defend ourselves from a tyrant government.

Although that hasnt worked out so well because as long as we get our ball games, T.V. programs, and online games + porn, we'll look the other way.

We'll continue to turn a blind eye to government corruption, sensationalized and politicized media. We don't care that there is a war going because so long as it's not on the news it doesnt exist. Besides we need the air time for Caley Anthony, Anna Nicole Smith, Kobe Bryant, Joe the Plumber, and discussion about Obama's dog.

To recite a Roman who once said along the lines "We dont care so long as we get our bread and circus's"

Well Ellanorah we are Rome, and we have our bread and circus's. What once was a noble reason to carry firearms has become, "Just cuz".

I hear the Canadians carry a good arsenal too, although they are exempt from the fear mongering generated by capitalist media to spike growth in sales. As such their crime rate is no where near ours.

On a personal note, I don't have any firearms and doubt I would be a person to carry one. I've been the victim of several crimes, but still have no interest in them. However I want that right preserved, in case I change my mind or becomes necessary to defend my other liberties with force.

[BobTheZombie]

Politics aside i do own guns.

I have a Walther P22 pistol, nice little thing with the extended barrel on it.
I have an old remmington .222 - they were replaced by the 223, but still nice little anti-rabbit gun.
17 hmr
and a 12 gauge for clay pigeon shootin.


I like my walther the best cause it's just fun to shoot.  It also has a nice kick to it.

[Aldoran]

Here's a simple reason.

It's 3 am, your wife and kids are sleeping soundly, you've just awakened from a dream about cookie throwing aliens and have decided to hit the kitchen for some Oreos.

You're on the stairs when you hear the noise, you notice a light on downstairs that shouldn't be on.

You've always been anti-gun, those things kill people. Instead you pick up your cell phone and dial 911. You don't hit send because it could just be the cat, or your kids rummaging through the cabinets.

Cautiously you approach the den, peeking around the corner you see a large, scary man unhooking your television.

You hit send, the beep loud in the darkness. At the sound of the dispatcher you whisper for help. The large man begins walking toward the door you're hiding behind and you know that in just a few seconds you'll be seen. He's probably already heard you.

What are your options? your mind whirls, you could run, but could you get away? And then what about your kids? Your wife?
Could you fight him? He's got you beat by 6 inches and 80 pounds, you've not been in a fight since 9th grade.
Scare him off. Tell him the police are coming, and that he better run. Criminals are scared of the cops, right?

You say "HEY!" your voice loud and in charge. "What do you think you're doing? The police are on their way!"

He looks at you, his crack-addled eyes blank and not at all sane. He puts down your TV, sees your hands are holding only a small blue phone, and pulls his gun.

It sounds like people clapping wood together, not like the movies. Loud noise a couple times and your chest if gushing blood. The left side of your body isn't moving. Something wet slides down your cheek and you realize with some detachment that it is your right eye. Strange, there isn't much pain, not really any, it just seems so unreal. Your last thought is about your kids.

The police found your kids shot to death in the hall, your wife raped and then shot in the back of the head.

They caught your killer two blocks away. The police did their job, justice is served.




Personally I'd rather have a gun and never need it than need a gun and not have it. That phrase gets used a lot, but it's still very true.

To those who say "just outlaw all guns, if nobody has them the criminals will be powerless!  Great solution, it only depends on the criminals obeying the gun laws and surrendering their weapons. A felon cannot buy a gun legally now anyway, but for some reason they still keep getting them.

Imagine the fun a criminal would have in a state where no law abiding citizen has  gun? You take your pistol into any house, every house, and you can steal, rape, and kill anyone you want, nobody will be armed! Criminals will be fearless.

My favorite phrase is, if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

[JesterDTM]

http://customsks.com/images/yugo_sks.jpg this is what my sks looks like

and I have a glock 19
http://www.davesguns.com/serverpics/FirearmsPage/Glock-19-.jpg

love them both.

[Nightstalker]

Here's a simple reason.

It's 3 am, your wife and kids are sleeping soundly, you've just awakened from a dream about cookie throwing aliens and have decided to hit the kitchen for some Oreos.

You're on the stairs when you hear the noise, you notice a light on downstairs that shouldn't be on.

You've always been anti-gun, those things kill people. Instead you pick up your cell phone and dial 911. You don't hit send because it could just be the cat, or your kids rummaging through the cabinets.

Cautiously you approach the den, peeking around the corner you see a large, scary man unhooking your television.

You hit send, the beep loud in the darkness. At the sound of the dispatcher you whisper for help. The large man begins walking toward the door you're hiding behind and you know that in just a few seconds you'll be seen. He's probably already heard you.

What are your options? your mind whirls, you could run, but could you get away? And then what about your kids? Your wife?
Could you fight him? He's got you beat by 6 inches and 80 pounds, you've not been in a fight since 9th grade.
Scare him off. Tell him the police are coming, and that he better run. Criminals are scared of the cops, right?

You say "HEY!" your voice loud and in charge. "What do you think you're doing? The police are on their way!"

He looks at you, his crack-addled eyes blank and not at all sane. He puts down your TV, sees your hands are holding only a small blue phone, and pulls his gun.

It sounds like people clapping wood together, not like the movies. Loud noise a couple times and your chest if gushing blood. The left side of your body isn't moving. Something wet slides down your cheek and you realize with some detachment that it is your right eye. Strange, there isn't much pain, not really any, it just seems so unreal. Your last thought is about your kids.

The police found your kids shot to death in the hall, your wife raped and then shot in the back of the head.

They caught your killer two blocks away. The police did their job, justice is served.

You reckon he still made off with the TV?

[Aldoran]

You reckon he still made off with the TV?

Yeah, and your grandfather's watch, too.

[skeanthu]

Stay with .45 ACP, easy to find ammo with enough  knock-a-thug-down punch than you will need.  Now here is where it gets tricky, DO NOT GO cheap on a side-arm.  I have several Colts amd Kimbers.  I really like the new Colt Agent, very nice conceal/carry .45.   Check out Kimber's site http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/ and Colt's http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/pistols.asp. 

Now as for Rifles, .223-.308 are good choices.  If you find a new one from a good reputable manufacturer (Rock River, Stag, DPMS, Bushmaster) for under 1k, BUY IT!  I have friends in the business and the manufacturers are not even able to give them a time frame as to when more can be made...that is right, they are out of stock already.

Check out Guns America http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Category/12/2/Guns/Rifles/AR-15-Rifles-Small-Manufacturers/Complete-Rifle.htm  to get a feel for prices.

[gr0n]

nice. i think gr0n might have me sold on the Sig Sauer P226, and I would like to get a colt M4 but the prices have shot up way too much. who wants to go shooting sometime?

Once finances get into a little better control for me I'd be up for it.  I've got a buddy that runs a range.


A private range bay at Big Darby Creek Shooting Range (BDCSR) on Sunday 23NOV2008 would be $75 for 4 hours (divided by the number of shooters, up to six total, not including me).  I will be the "Sponsoring Member" and the "Range Safety Officer" (Usually, there is a $25/hour fee for an RSO.  I will be acting in that capacity for no charge.  Hence me not paying a slice of the range fee). 
 
*BYO warm/foul weather gear--This will be outdoors. 
 
*BYO EyePro and EarPro--BDCSR does not rent or loan.  At the range, you will have to buy UGLY (we call them Birth Control Glasses for a reason) glasses for $3.00 and foam ear plugs for $.50.  You will not be allowed on the range without EyePro and EarPro, no exceptions.
 
*BYO Ammo (No armor piercing, incendiary, high explosive, or tracer ammo allowed)--I have firearms, in the following calibers, that I am willing to share:
Bring any brand, even Wolf.  The cheaper the ammo, the more we can shoot!
9mm autopistol
.38SPL revolver
.223Rem/5.56x45 rifle (AR)
7.62x39 rifle (AK)
12 gauge pump shotgun up to 3"
.22LR autopistol and .22LR autorifle
<<<EXCEPTION>>>  22LR must be 40grain, solid point, copper plated, high velocity such as Remington Golden bullet, CCI mini mag, etc.  22LR conversions are finicky, but much cheaper to shoot and wicked fun.
 
*BYO Firearms--Obviously, bring any of your own toys and ammo as well.  Do not plan on buying ammo at the range.  Availability is spotty at best, we do not stock a large number of calibers, and it will be expensive.  Try Wal-Mart for the best price, otherwise Gander Mountain for availability.
 
IMPORTANT NOTE:  If we shoot from 8AM-Noon, we will have the ranges to ourselves and can sight in on the Rifle Range or be "under roof" on the 50Yard Range if the weather is nasty.  If we start later, say 10AM, we can use the rifle range or the 50 Yard Range until Noon and then move to one of the Training/Competition Bays (T/C Bays are 30 yards deep) outside.  If we start at noon or later, we will be outdoors on a T/C Bay the entire time.  Whatever we do (whatever range we are on), it will need to be as a group.  We cannot split up because I am the only RSO.

If we pay a little extra I believe we can get the metal targets and have some real fun with those, I'd have to talk to my buddy about them again. If there are more of us that would want to go I might be able to talk him into doing it but we'd probably need to do it before they actually open on a Sunday.  Preferably I'd like to wait until it warms up again to do a shooting party.

I used to own a glock and loved it, easy to clean and take apart 6 pieces if I remember correctly and there's almost nothing you can do to it that will stop it from shooting.  Its not the easiest shooting gun but its one of the most reliable.
 

Dude!  G, I didn't know you knew someone out there!  I went out there a month or so ago and it's great!  Brand new facility and it's pretty close.

I'm kicking myself for not getting an M4 earlier this year...

[Snackcakes]

To keep the flaming limited I will keep my response to Ella nice and simple. There is no need to owning a high powered rifle or hand gun. There is also no need to play computer games, no need  to post on this forum, and no need for 99% of the things we all do in our daily lives. It is however our right to purchase and own guns. I think its an interesting and enjoyable hobby.

The old cliche fits, guns do not kill people, people do. They tried the assault weapon ban here in the states and it pretty much didn't do anything. That said...

Bob - I was looking at the Walther models more out of sheer curiousity and because of the hype from bond movies

Gar -WTF gr0n and I were going to go shoot there just because its so damn close to Hilliard

Ske - I was looking at the .40 caliber, just because it had more power than the 9mm but cheaper ammo than the .45, or am i wrong on that?

Jester - I've looked at glocks but haven't fired 'em, for some reason glock has some negative image in my head, not sure why





 

[Reddawn]

I want a barrett 50cal

[Garenth]

To keep the flaming limited I will keep my response to Ella nice and simple. There is no need to owning a high powered rifle or hand gun. There is also no need to play computer games, no need  to post on this forum, and no need for 99% of the things we all do in our daily lives. It is however our right to purchase and own guns. I think its an interesting and enjoyable hobby.

The old cliche fits, guns do not kill people, people do. They tried the assault weapon ban here in the states and it pretty much didn't do anything. That said...

Bob - I was looking at the Walther models more out of sheer curiousity and because of the hype from bond movies

Gar -WTF gr0n and I were going to go shoot there just because its so damn close to Hilliard

Ske - I was looking at the .40 caliber, just because it had more power than the 9mm but cheaper ammo than the .45, or am i wrong on that?

Jester - I've looked at glocks but haven't fired 'em, for some reason glock has some negative image in my head, not sure why

I've talked to a number of cops and such that absolutely love their Glocks, they are not the easiest guns to shoot less accurate than the higher priced pistols out there but you can freeze them, drop them in the mud and literally abuse the shit out of them and they will always forgive you and fire every time.  My buddy that works at the range has one with a couple hundred thousand rounds through it and has never had an issue.  He used to shoot competitively and would use sub machine gun grade 9mm ammo because the Glock could take it and wouldn't complain.

Not to say the Glock is the gun for you but I'd definitely not rule it out without first shooting it.  My pops has the 40mm version and if you want to flip for the ammo I'm pretty sure I could convince him to let me borrow it for a day of shooting.