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Did any of you dirt merchants buy one?

If iTunes would accept AVI's and MKV's I would consider getting one. Just right now I cant see myself getting one. Maybe 2.0

i have an iphone and a macbook pro, no need for it. but i know at least 3 people who bought them.

So you know 3 gay people?

OH SNAP!

Yeah cant see having one :(  Apple will never allow codec support unfortunately because they are control freaks times 109348757864 and converting everything to apples format is lame.

F APPLE!

I'm probably gunna pick one of the 3G enabled ones up once they allow multi-tasking. Then I'm gunna cancel my cellphone, and just use Google Voice

Bought one for the ladyfriend.  I sold my MacBook Pro recently and she's bitched ever since about not having a computer she can surf on while watching her celebrity dance/cooking shows.  Also, she reads alot and wanted an e-reader.  Pretty cool device, but the fact that it's basically a big iphone that you have to sync with another computer pretty much blows donky dicks.

yeah and FUCK the e-book bullshit on that. Jobs has made a few publishing jack up the fucking prices on those books. I'll protest by pirating books onto my kindle.

If they supported MKV and AVI's I would already have one

I dunno, I can see why people would like an easy to use tablet with easy to use apps that are mostly situational as an alternative to something like a laptop to carry around, but I can't help but to think that it would be better overall just to have a netbook.

I have been wearing one for a while now to stop my bleeding vajayjay.

I just can't field a touch screen keyboard.  Hunting and pecking is for condors.

Not to mention the biggest travesty of all - no flash browsing..

How can one supposed to search for porn hulu videos!?

Jesus is every app for the ipad 10 or 15 bucks? fuck that

(http://www.dula.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/iEvolution1-344x1024.jpg)

LOL

MKV is a file container using AAC audio and h.264 video I believe (which apple loves). AVI is also a container sometimes using WMV which is compatible through flip4mac.That said it is kinda silly that it isn't recognizing the container formats, that takes seconds to program. The downside is that they run like shit and only MP4 is optimized thus why Apple uses that. So Apple would have to do the extra work to optimize it, so they kinda lazy here. It does work in VLC and other non-iTunes media players. However, that does mean you are correct in that the videos won't run on other itunes syncing hardware. Run into the same problems on the xbox 360 and PS3 both hitting formats they can't eat.

All companies force crap on you, it all depends how many third-party developers there are to make up for their crap. In Microsoft and Apple's case Microsoft has a lot more people writing software, so there is more options on formats. That said, I don't really see a use for the iPad beyond having the ability to browse the internet in bed. With my head against a pillow and laptop on my chest it isn't the most comfortable way to check up on the internets before bed, the ipad would be welcome there. Besides that wouldn't have much use for it beyond if I owned an iPhone, which I don't. I also care less about Flash, but that is for another thread.

ZONK...WTF

THE CRAPPER!!!! Thats what the iPad is designed for!

I streamed my MKV's and stuff that the 360 didnt play natively thru PS3mediaserver to the 360. Worked like a champ. Then I got that Samsung player and it plays everything Ive thrown at it perfectly. Including the 22gb Bluray rip of Saving Private Ryan.

Yeah the Xbox has been improving what video codecs they can play

Yeah I haven't used Medialink to transcode the files that it doesn't natively support, but I have streamed with Medialink before, that and 360connect are great programs.

I don't get the people who bought this. Get a laptop? (you actually get a bigger screen and keboard too!)


So I guess the next two steps in the evolution are to make products between the size of the iPhone and iPad, then a device the size between an iPad and a laptop?  ::)  (incidently they'll be called iManidiotforbuyingthesethings)  :D


LOL Paul

i thought it was funny wondering what the hell steve jobs was doing crabwalking to get that photo

The girlfriend loves hers, but she's pretty far from a " power user". That's really who this is for.

Yeah.


But It just goes to show you that sensationalized shopping does occur, even beyond common sense. Or as we liked to call it in the retail world, impulse shopping.

The American people are a well farmed market, and although i'm almost certain most people are aware of it, i'm not certain if the people even care, heh.

I don't think that harshly towards the iPad. It is sort of like a video game console, you purchase the hardware and have to used the approved software made specifically for it, but the stuff that is made for it works really well.  There are a lot of computer users who are perfectly happy with only using a computer for surfing the net, sorting through picture/video files, and playing basic games.  Mix that with a decent amount of apps and extreme portability and it is a decent product. 

Would I personally have a use for it?  Probably not, I have a pretty nice laptop that does everything I need it to already.  Caleb did mention that it isn't exactly built for a power user, and there are a lot of features for people that will turn those sorts of users off from buying one (no usb ports = major WTF, no mkv support etc).  But I can kind of see the value of a device like that. 

The only reason I would think that most people got this as an impulse buy is because it is the first edition that they made of this device.  In a few more releases, they are probably going to hammer out any problems this one has (sort of like how they handled the iPhone).

I don't see there being a functionality of the item at all. Anything you need is enhanced going either direction.

The ipod breakthrough was about portability of the net and functions into the palm of your hand. A great product which can even fit in your pocket. Whereas with the ipad you got this item which has less functions than an iphone, and it's not a device you can stow away as easily as an iphone.

Wanna go grab a roasted chicken breast sandwich at subway? Just put that iphone in your pocket and order it up. With the ipad you are left looking like a jackass carrying around something all the time, which you can't quite holster somehow.

So portability is out of the issue. At which point you might as well be carrying around a laptop, which will give you much more function options than and ipad.

As for games id rather play them on a laptop than an ipad, which gives the same game access as what I would have on a PC at home.

So where is the function? It's a luxury item at best with no specialized practical role. And as with almost all other luxury items with no specialized funtion, it will fall into obscurity.

People will learn that they can't take it to where they can take their iphone, and they'll end up leaving it sitting around doing nothing.

Just get a laptop.

Pretty impressed with Brent's post. It gives a pretty clear definition. Night basically ignored all the positives that are correct. It is for people that only use a computer to browse the internet, look at photos, and maybe wasting time on some random activity that keeps your interest, game/book something. ONLY think of it like that and it performs its job well.

So saying there is no functionality at all is just ignoring what it can do. If you have a laptop then yes, you probably don't need this, it is the reason I wouldn't buy one. I have a very good laptop that is lightweight and perfect (13inch macbook pro unibody). The pocket idea is a different niche, to fit that size you lose the screen size that makes the ipad a better internet browsing machine. There are some folding netbook designs coming around that might make the dream of a pocket sized screen that makes an ipad size screen, but that is fantasy right now. Also note this thing has 10 hours of battery life, something that matches its functions can't even match half that. Netbooks run around 5 hours max correct?

Last note, USB:

This is a debatable subject I think. See you can get a USB port on it, you just have to buy the Camera connection kit, which gives you a clip that plugs into the dock and has a USB port on end. Now, the first reaction to that is why didn't they just put a USB and not require you to spend money for the adapter, Apple is so greedy. This is probably 100% true, but it is amazing how no one sees any of the advantages. The dock is a multipurpose port, it can do 25 different things, AV cable, SD card, USB, HDMI in time, etc. Sure it would be nice, but ugly, if there was 25 different ports all over, but it looks better, makes for a more solid strong device with just the dock. One USB next to the dock on the left (speakers are on the right) would have been nice, but it isn't a 100% killshot, if it only had USB and charged over that, losing the dock would suck.

Just because it's not functional for you, doesn't mean it isn't functional for someone else.

 ::)

Are you guys on Job's payroll or something? Or do you people just have to argue with me about any little thing?

It's a piece of shit.

Stop criticizing me in the first sentence, then breaking out into a paragraph about how it could be better, or trying to dress up it's shortcommings, and then going on to say that you don't see a use for it yourselves, if you really think otherwise.

It's a leisure toy, it's not a practical tool like devices in either direction; the iphone or laptop.

"But night it can do some of those things.."  Some of them? And do you want to dedicate a hand to carrying it around all the time, or a product where you could have a portable phone with net access, which can be stowed away into a pocket for hands free.

But if you like, you can let Jobs farm you, and buy it so later on down the road you can go back to the Apple store and pay for upgrades, so you can then have an upgraded piece of shit.

That is a good point for the USB-Dock fix, if you did add a USB port then the question would be 'why not an hdmi/firewire/sd card/etc port', and just make a solution that can eventually cover all of them.  I would still be a little surprised if one didn't get included in future releases.  


QFT


Bwuh?  You're talking to a guy who has a windows 7 laptop, an Xbox 360, a Zune, and a Windows Mobile phone.  It's almost embarassing how much money I've given them at this point, and for the last two items I'm pretty sure that earns me the sympathetic consumer achievement.  

I'm merely pointing out that sometimes optimizing features on a device that can be easily used for mainstream consumers and not uber geeks isn't always a bad thing.  I can see why people might like it, though I would never personally have a use for one.

Nope not on Jobs payroll, and I said I am not getting the device because it isn't useful for me, I already have a laptop I prefer. So again... just because it isn't useful for me or you doesn't mean it is shit.

It also isn't dressing up its shortcomings by saying what the fuck the product does. I does some of the things because guess what, IT DOES SOME OF THE THINGS. A laptop might lack something else, does your laptop have a touchscreen? No, do you want one No, because not everyone does. If someone wants a touchscreen does that mean they are retarded and any product they want is full of shit and they must be sucking the cock of someone that designed/made it?

Leisure vs practical: A toilet is leisure, could just use the ground. A television is leisure why the hell do you own one of those? Can't you get the news and anything else from the internet on your laptop? Practical of course means something to a point, so far the only reason it isn't practical according to you is because its size. There are cellphones, netbooks, 13 inch/15/17 laptops, monitors of all sizes, people prefer difference sizes. The size you prefer isn't the ipad so it isn't practical for YOU.

Haven't even really discussed the use of this device for people scared of computers. Nintendo wii has made a great uses for people that don't use computers everyday, don't play games or get active everyday. Many people don't know how to turn on a computer, this is a device they would buy and pretend they were on a computer.

And as far as Jobs farming me, you even quoted how I said I wasn't going to buy one, I also don't own and iPhone, and posting this from my desktop running Windows XP. I do own a mac so I guess he has one crop with my name.

A toilet is practical as it facilitates proper hygene and reduces risk of disease and infection spread. "Just using the ground" is not ideal, and does not facilitate sending fecal discharge and urine to processing centers away from populated areas.

It's not a "leisure" item or else they wouldn't be in every fucking house in the first and second world nations. And as for developing countries without them, i'm sure you must know of the consequences of the ones which don't have proper sanitation systems, including the toilet, and other items which are tied into a central plumbing system and contribute to proper civil health and allow for larger cities.

You could argue that the toilet or central plumbing are luxury items in some developing countries, but pretty much anything is, including clean water.

Regarding countries that have them, which are most of them, they aren't exactly luxurious.. you don't see recliners shaped in the fashion of a damn toilet do you?

But if you want there are luxury toilet accessories and toilets. Get a heated pad seat, or buy one of those toilets which spray your asshole with a stream of liquid. Maybe get a


Heh, actually I don't  ;)



So what can people do on an ipad that people cannot do on an iphone?
And can people do everything they do on an iphone when using an ipad?

It's not a piece of shit. The hardware and OS is tight. It's just a niche device.

I will see how the HP Slate turns out. It's runs Windows 7 so that's pretty awesome!

Night, why do you need everyone to agree with you that it's a piece of shit? What is wrong with it being a useful purchase for cross section of the worlds population?

You don't like it? Fucking great, I don't either!

No need for everyone else to see it your way though. Bottom line is no matter how silly it may seem to you and I, some people will find this thing amazingly useful despite its obvious flaws.

Just walk away my friend, walk away.

You know the toilet example was an exaggeration of my point luxury and practical are not black and white. Even proved it is different in different locations.

I have already agreed with you on the point if I had an iPhone I wouldn't see much need to buy an iPad. After Apple showed off the latest iPhone OS update, maybe I will finally buy the new iphone that will be displayed at Apples next convention (WWDC).

Differences, I never said there was much but there is some. Currently the iPhone has a camera while the iPad does not. I expect this to change with iPad 2nd gen, and wouldn't buy a 1st gen anyways because Apple seems to be well in trend with testing the waters before they go "all-in" with what they can do on a platform.

The iPad has iWork, which is basically Microsoft Office Suite of Word, Excel, Powerpoint (Pages, Numbers, Keynote = Apples names for the iWork apps). The iPhone doesn't get this apps, only the ability to view documents, not edit. I think you might be able to edit text on the iPhone, but not 100% the full features of font, tables, etc.

HP Slate:

It is a very interesting product. It will easily say they met what everyone hoped the iPad was to be. I am not going to say they have done it yet. The specs look ok, but even with 1gb ram compared to the iPad that is  4 times more. However, it all depends how well Microsoft optimized the Windows 7 that is running on the Slate. They have to get the services and OS to run at least below 512 of use (Don't forget on top of the OS is the UI developed by HP that also adds to ram use). The other area that worries me is the battery. Nothing can come close to the iPad 10 hours. The HP Slate is said to be able to output HDMI video through an HDMI port and do some pretty amazing stuff. Outputting 1080p is going to eat battery like crazy, no way you will be able to view the whole movie without needing to charge during. What do you guys think what would the minimum battery life you would accept for the HP Slate to be acceptable? I would want at least 3.5 hours to match my laptop. Anything less and it goes back to the point we all kinda agree on, why not just have a laptop?

The girlfriend LOVES it.  It lives on the coffee table or next to the bed.  She uses it for internet surfing, looking up recipes, games, e-reader, whatever.  It's not everything I'd personally want in a device, but it wasn't for me.  Besides, I have the htpc for my l33t h4xx1ng.  So we all win.  If you don't like/need it, don't buy it.  If it fits your needs, it's a great gadget and I recommend it.

If I wanted a tablet to use as a laptop replacement, I'd hold out for the HP Slate.  It promises to be pretty badass.

But do you promise to be bad ass JT? DO YOU?!

Yeah, I sort of wish I had a use for one of these devices, but I'd just be buying it to screw around with. It would mostly be an e-reader with extra funsies.

The e-reader isn't all that. Get a Kindle when you learn to read

My brother got his iPad 3G other day. I had fun waking up and browsing the internet on it. He has the extra cash so see why he got it, if I had the extra it is a fun device to explore the internets as well as doing routine tasks. His plan is to also use it on trips to upload photos, etc with 3G. Most comment thing everyone says is how heavy it is, which continues to take it out of the "ebook reader" category. If you want an ebook reader still have to go with kindle or nook, or whatever else is e-ink these days. If you want a netbook/tablet that might also let you read a book or other random crap ipad works.

Kindle.....the nook is for hipsters that drive volkswagons

How heavy is it?  It didn't seem like it would be that much heavier than a netbook or something like that.

edit: ok did some googling, cnet says its 1.5 pounds (though the 3g version could be heavier).  I guess perhaps considering how thin it is people would expect it to be lighter.

Yeah that is mostly the issue, everyone expects it to be as light as a kindleDX. But the glass and huge battery bump it up. I can see where those talking about laying by the pool "trying" to hold one up for 45 minutes to read would be quite a strain.

If you can't support 1.5 pounds on your lap, you're kind of a faggot.  It's not heavy at all and anyone who complains about the weight is really searching for something to gripe about.  Grow up America.

they arent all strong like bull like you

1.5 pounds.  I've taken heavier shits.  Seriously.

I don't think many men have complained, but there does exist another sex in the world called women that don't have fit arms, that is probably why the point is being made because it probably isn't comfortable for them to use the device reading long periods.

Small weight can become very heavy over long periods of holding out away from body. Best example I can think of is if your cell phone had double its weight would you care? Sure it still light as "shit", but if you talk on the phone holding it to your ear for 45 minutes+ it might cause you to change hands (and people would complain because it isn't "comfortable"). The reason I said double its weight is because basically the iPad is double the weight of a book or kindle.

sexist!!!!

I am thinking about getting a 3G ipad and dump my 3G iphone. I only used 40 minutes of my talk time last month.

What phone would you get instead?  You know the ipad's 3g chip is only for data, not voice, right?

Dude........................come on now did you really have to ask that?

As for phone I'll just use an old one til the WinMo7 stuff flushes out.

You can skype on 3G, but that is about it as far as voice goes.

I am waiting for the announcement about the next iphone. I have yet to own a smartphone.

What DON'T you know from all the leaks?

Prices and contract prices. It will all probably be the same, but there is still details left out. We don't know if the next iPhone is running the A4 chip in the iPad. We don't know if the RAM will be increased (probably not, it will match the 3GS). Mostly just worded it like that because I won't decide until August anyways.

dude.....you are behind on the times! The "leak" from Vietnam showed the same processor as the iPad

http://gizmodo.com/5536912/another-lost-iphone-4-shows-new-details

APL0398 339S9084 <- Apple A4
K4X2G643GE <- 256 MB Samsung DRAM (two dies)

I got FREE ipad 3g. It's fucking sweet. I jailbreak'd that whore and put a fuckload of ipad apps on it. SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

I am going  get rid of my old broken ass 3G iphone and just get a shitty track phone.