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Title: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 19, 2010, 11:22:45 AM
A cry against tyranny


This was his suicide note before he flew into the IRS building:

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer… and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· “another person” is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· “taxpayer” is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· “individual”, “employee”, or “worker” is you.

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to XXXX XXXX, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, XXXX knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Redbear8 on February 19, 2010, 02:52:34 PM
I can certainly understand frustration, the trapped feeling, and wanting to get attention but I will never condone taking other peoples lives as a way to do it.

I take my stance partially because I have been insanely close to the shooting at UAH here in Huntsville. My martial arts teacher, and good friend, works for the Biology department and had 3 close friends killed that day. He was supposed to be in that meeting but went to the greenhouse instead. He even passed Bishop in the hallway as she fled the building, thinking she was just rushed because she was late somewhere.  Just because one lady "had enough."

This guy has a lot of important things that should be heard, it's just a shame that because he chose violence to get attention none of it will ever be given credence.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 19, 2010, 03:29:55 PM
This guy has a lot of important things that should be heard, it's just a shame that because he chose violence to get attention none of it will ever be given credence.

Thats not true.

This won't change the fact that people are still oppressed by this overextended government. The fact that 40 cents of our every dollar is lost in bureaucratic waste. The bailouts and the "stimulus" which people like him have been robbed for.

Its interesting because most of the response i've seen or heard from people usually involves "I can relate.." or "I can understand.." when concerning his reasoning. Of course he is demarked for the casualties involved, but there is no disdain for his lashing against the government.


Its intriguing because it's insightful into what the general population is receptive to. Such responses only support polls done over this year that faith in the government is at an all time low.

People are struggling, and Washington is wrecklessly squandering the people's money and subsequently their trust, despite the fact that the people are complaining. With a government that has traditionally touted as representative of the people, by the people, and for the people.. it was only a matter of time before something gave.

And I don't doubt that this won't be the last time.


Hopefully it won't come to further voilent action for the people to feel they are heard, as our elected officials have in many cases disregared their constituent's needs and rather serve special interests.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Redbear8 on February 19, 2010, 03:50:19 PM
I didn't say he wouldn't be heard. I think people are hearing him very well, but not necessarily in a good light. No matter how correct your views and opinions are it only takes one really negative act to void your sanity. Because of how he chose to express his anger the general population will never get past the fact that he's a "terrorist."

The few folks that hold more intelligence than the general population will see through to what his points were.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 19, 2010, 04:02:04 PM
I didn't say he wouldn't be heard.

I never suggested you said that. I quoted you on the basis that, as you stated, what he had to say would not be given credence.

And then I went on to elaborate that what he had to say, despite what he will be labelled as a result of his actions, would not be lost because the population in this time of crisis are receptive.

Quote
The few folks that hold more intelligence than the general population will see through to what his points were.

building on what I previously said, and in response to this, I think this is the case of where much of the general population are more receptive to his reasons which is rather interesting


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Redbear8 on February 19, 2010, 04:11:37 PM
The population isn't in a time of Crisis though. Just Austin. While the media would have you believe we are in a Crisis, we certainly are not.

Only time will tell if the general population will or won't hear what his message was. Based on history I tend to lean to the side that they won't. It's been a long, long, time since a single man of no great importance changed anything in this country.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 19, 2010, 04:30:48 PM
The population isn't in a time of Crisis though. Just Austin.

Say what?!!


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: thrun on February 19, 2010, 04:43:07 PM
Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

Blah blah blah, I tried to cheat on my taxes and got nailed for it.  WHA WHA, people with more money and power then me get to cheat why can't I?

Am I mistaken here, or did the mother fucker own the plane that he flew in to the building?! This is not your common oppressed man, this is a fucking greedy POS throwing  a temper tantrum and killing people that were trying to go to work that day.





Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Varg on February 19, 2010, 05:46:18 PM
Fuck this, that dude killed someone, fuck what he has to say. I say out of respect for the person that died to not give this another reply. You go out and take someones life to prove a point and your opinion on anything, even if i agree with it, is not going to get any respect by me.

Dont make this guy out to be some hero our thoughtful person. There are ways to protest that dont take the life of someones father or brother.



Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Jim Tressel on February 19, 2010, 05:54:50 PM
Night, I think you've seriously lost touch man.  Your gross assumption that the "population in this time of crisis are receptive" to the story of a man batshit crazy enough to set his own house on fire with his wife and kid inside then fly his plane into a building is only proof of that.  

Normal people are going to immediately dismiss whatever this asshole was trying to say precisely because of his actions.  This is because normal people rely on a little thing called "credibility".  Sort of like how a person who watches Fox News and mistakes it for honest journalism instead of a Republican propaganda machine has no credibility.  Well this fuckhole nuked his own credibility from orbit the second he went on his rampage.

If everyone you talk to is saying, "I can relate.." or "I can understand..", I recommend you find new people to hang out with.  People who don't also lick windows.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Reddawn on February 19, 2010, 05:56:06 PM
JT I am going to fly my plane into the John Glenn school later this afternoon


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Jim Tressel on February 19, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
You don't have a plane.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: thrun on February 19, 2010, 06:06:38 PM
I just don't get the double standard, if I fly a plane in to a building for Alah it's bad.  If I do it because I am a tax cheat it is some how ok? 


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Redbear8 on February 19, 2010, 06:31:36 PM
The population isn't in a time of Crisis though. Just Austin.

Say what?!!

A select few people in Austin may be in Crisis, but that does not equate "the population."


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Reddawn on February 19, 2010, 07:39:57 PM
You don't have a plane.
who cares if its a paper airplane or not but your building will come down


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Redbear8 on February 19, 2010, 07:44:59 PM
You don't have a plane.
That building will drop like my pants at an all male NSYNC party!!!

Fixed


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Reddawn on February 19, 2010, 08:49:40 PM
THE IRS IS A BUNCH OF JACKBOOTED THUGS......like hawkes



Ohio Man Bulldozes Home To Avoid Foreclosure

MOSCOW, Ohio—An Ohio man says he bulldozed his home after a bank began foreclosure proceedings and says he won’t let the bank take his carpet business either.

Terry Hoskins of Moscow in southwest Ohio says he has struggled with the RiverHills Bank over his Clermont County home for years and had problems with the Internal Revenue Service. He says the IRS placed liens on his store and commercial property and the bank claimed his house as collateral.

Hoskins says after spending millions on attorneys he just had enough and two weeks ago bulldozed the home, 25 miles southeast of Cincinnati.

When asked if he would level the store, Hoskins said he would do “what it takes.“ aka Ruby Ridge

Messages were left for the bank and its attorney and with the southern Ohio office of the IRS.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Jim Tressel on February 19, 2010, 09:11:47 PM
LOL.  Epic move.  At least he didn't try to kill anyone yet.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 20, 2010, 03:30:18 AM
Night, I think you've seriously lost touch man.  Your gross assumption that the "population in this time of crisis are receptive" to the story of a man batshit crazy enough to set his own house on fire with his wife and kid inside then fly his plane into a building is only proof of that.  

And you've lost touch since you interpreted that out of my message. Jackass

Normal people are going to immediately dismiss whatever this asshole was trying to say precisely because of his actions.  This is because normal people rely on a little thing called "credibility".  Sort of like how a person who watches Fox News and mistakes it for honest journalism instead of a Republican propaganda machine has no credibility.  Well this fuckhole nuked his own credibility from orbit the second he went on his rampage.

And you sustained credibility up until the point where you went on a standard Liberal tirade against Fox news. I'm going to let you in on a secret they don't teach you on MSNBC... There isn't any honest journalism on T.V.

If everyone you talk to is saying, "I can relate.." or "I can understand..", I recommend you find new people to hang out with.  People who don't also lick windows.

Everyone? you need to work on your comprehension idiot. I didn't say everyone, and then I went on further to elate that they demark him for his actions involving violence.

You need to take your Keith Olbermann spin and shove it up your ass.




And for any other faggots that lack comprehension, and as a result try character assassination on me, i'll break it down for easy, understandable sentences.

1. Trust in the government is at an all time low.
2. As a consequence, there is disdain towards the government and much ado to the actions of the past year and a half with the stimulus, bailouts etc.
3. This sentiment has sought an outlet. The peaceful process has been the teaparty movement, which unfortunately has been initially labelled by certain left media assholes as a conglomerate of racists.
4. And now the outlet has also moved to include a non peaceful process involving the events of Joseph Stack.
5. The actions of Joseph Stack will be villified by people, and even for some he will be praised.
6. I did neither..

 I along with Rando were in discussion as to whether his message is lost in translation. That translation being his vehicle of method... violence.
I did not espouse his vehicle of method, nor did I praise a tallied death count.
I do not own a gun. I do not own a plane. I do not have any "ideas".
I do however pay taxes, of which 40 cents to the dollar is lost in government waste.

So if in light of all of this if you take my conversations into the peoples anti-government sentiment as crazy, then you can suck the pre-cum off my big anti-government cock.

Thanks bitch.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Reddawn on February 20, 2010, 03:36:42 AM
big?


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 20, 2010, 03:47:59 AM
Mother fucking big.

With girth.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Varg on February 20, 2010, 12:58:13 PM

4. And now the outlet has also moved to include a non peaceful process involving the events of Joseph Stack.


I consider myself fairly right wing, with the exception of being pro-gay marriage and a few other things, hell i have even attended a "tea-party" here in GA. I feel that the Obama administration is not doing a good job, or even the job they said they would. I think im on your side of the political spectrum for the most part. That being said, the outlet for political discourse from the right has NOT moved to a non peaceful process just like it didnt with Timothy Mcveigh. These are wackjobs that do nothing but make the right look bat shit crazy and are no help at all. It doesnt matter if he was right.

Terrorism



terrorism (usually uncountable; plural terrorisms)

1.The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 20, 2010, 01:55:13 PM
Varg...

I was making a comparison of a peaceful outlet and a non peaceful outlet. That should be clear in that reading. I never said the Tea Parties have become violent.

Further, I never made an insinuation he was affiliated with any party, or suggested what part of the spectrum he is of for that matter, or any suggestion to what affiliation the Tea Parties are of. I only made comment as to what the Left media had branded them initially as.

In fact the anti government sentiment as of late has been largely muti-partisan, and his act among other things only affirms that.


If you want to break down this guy's stances by default prereqs, then he screams as a Liberal.
His commentary on the healthcare system, his ending comment on comparison of Communism and Capitalism.

I don't know why people insist on continuing to compare Communism to Capitalism.. Capitalism isn't a form of government.



Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Jim Tressel on February 20, 2010, 09:43:35 PM
Typically childish response.

If you want me to understand you, make your point more understandable.  First post sounds like you're banging this guy's drum.  Then you go on to say "most" of the people you talk to feel the guy's pain, which reads as sympathy over the internet.  You also state that the message stays the same despite his actions in a seemingly nonchalant, "Of course he is demarked for the casualties involved, but there is no disdain for his lashing against the government."  Well yeah, actually there is.  Protest, vote-out, sue, whatever....but don't fly planes into buildings.  Hence the out-of-touch thing.

Also, I don't watch MSNBC, Keith Olberman, or any network television news.  I read newspapers and listen to the radio.  Fox News is bullshit and anyone with half a brain (not just liberals) knows that.  MSNBC is also bullshit.  The aforementioned people also know that.  We also know that while the Colbert Report and The Daily Show are hilarious and often correct in their position, they do not constitute proper journalism and shouldn't be relied on as such.  

My comprehension is just fine.  I can fax you my SAT scores if you don't believe me.  Have you ever stopped to consider that your composition may be the issue?  Case in point: "And I don't doubt that this won't be the last time."  Triple-negative (some scholars would argue a quadruple).  Well done.  Very readable.  I know this is an extreme example, but evidence nonetheless of your constant effort to sound smarter than you really are, thus burying your point under a wall of white-noise text.  

Lastly, if I'm the "faggot" here, what's with your desire to shove Keith Olberman up my ass and put your dick in my mouth?  I think you got some issues to work out buddy.

Grow up.  Your e-peen does not impress me, and I don't doubt that this won't be the last time.



Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Arctic on February 21, 2010, 01:07:09 AM
Plus one to JT


AND I call Bullshit to the size and Girth


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 21, 2010, 06:51:58 AM
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Typically childish response

Tit for Tat.

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Then you go on to say "most" of the people you talk to feel the guy's pain, which reads as sympathy over the internet.

"Feel the guy's pain"?  Seriously?  For a second time you are fucking offquoting that sentence?
In the spirit of Oscar Goodman blasting Obama, JT you are a real slow learner. Yes, lets replace comprehension of "understand", and instead show an emotional relationship with "feel" and "pain".


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Well yeah, actually there is.  Protest, vote-out, sue, whatever....but don't fly planes into buildings.  Hence the out-of-touch thing.

Yet another fine example of your inability to understand. Your "out-of-touch thing" bit is suggesting direct relation to me via
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Night, I think you've seriously lost touch man
, whereas in your last post you are appending it to comments I didn't even say?  I think you're the one with a fucking "out-of-touch thing" with your cerebral cortex


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My comprehension is just fine.  I can fax you my SAT scores if you don't believe me

HAHA!    

My my. Seems someone is feeling insecure about their education, and needs to shore up proof to feel adequate. However at this point I think I've seen enough of your inner city, NCLB education.

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I know this is an extreme example

LMAO! Try "not even an example at all".

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I think you got some issues to work out buddy.

If you're the one taking Keith Olbermann in your ass, then clearly YOU are the one with issues to work out.


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Plus one to JT

AND I call Bullshit to the size and Girth

WTF.  Arctic, can't take my penis off your mind? I think you along with JT have some closet issues to work out.

I see you are using Spell Check and correctly guessing which words to replace.. "plus one" to you

However, you have erroneously capitalized "bullshit" and "girth". Minus one.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Paul on February 21, 2010, 09:04:25 AM
Lol knight and JT you two never cease to make me ROFL


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 21, 2010, 09:24:22 AM
You think thats funny, let JT fax you his SAT scores!


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: thrun on February 21, 2010, 08:58:12 PM
will some one lock this fucking thread?


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Arctic on February 21, 2010, 11:47:45 PM
One more request to lock thread and I will do it, FYI


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Reddawn on February 22, 2010, 12:45:41 AM
Why lock it? Just because someone doesn't like it? Fuck that....let's lock every thread! If the politics and religious threads could go 50 pages+ this one can too.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Paul on February 22, 2010, 03:26:54 AM
communist


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: thrun on February 22, 2010, 04:02:20 AM
It's getting old is all, it's a rehash of the same overblown arguments.  I wish we had a fun game to play together again. Carry on I guess, I will go peruse the other threads.



Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Paul on February 22, 2010, 04:16:23 AM
i think it was dead until you suggested locking it, just saying


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Arctic on February 22, 2010, 04:41:28 AM
Just going by the will of the people



Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Jim Tressel on February 22, 2010, 08:02:18 PM
You needn't lock this thread.

I'm done with trying to set Night on the path of truth and reason.  He's too far gone and he has far too much free time to waste spewing misinformation and hate.  Unlike him, I have a full-time job, real life friends, and a girlfriend that are all far more important to me than his back-woods opinions and compulsive lying.  To spend any more time carrying the torch of intellectual honesty in this dark abyss would be a disservice to them.

In short:  Dick and fart jokes, here I come.  Sorry Paul.  I'm sure Night's "Burn All My Bridges 2009-2010 Tour" will continue apace.  That should be entertaining enough to watch without my participation.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 22, 2010, 10:34:30 PM
That all looks like rhetoric from someone who just got his ass owned in a debate for fucking up.

I will accept your terms of surrender.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: majer on February 23, 2010, 11:50:04 PM
a game to play I found this little gem on newgrounds. I'll just leave this here
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/528055


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Reddawn on February 24, 2010, 01:03:49 AM
hahahaha


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 24, 2010, 01:46:57 AM
lmao! "medal get!".   Wasn't that from Track and Field?

Also in the spirit of the music in that flash..

[yt=425,350]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/l46t_nrySg4&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/l46t_nrySg4&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/yt]


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: thrun on February 24, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
Well Glenn Beck finally showed his true communist colors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Kastil on February 24, 2010, 02:13:17 PM
Can't trust the Huffington post.   They have an article on "Tv Shows the Networks Didn't Want To Admit Were About Gay People" in which they list Frasier and Sex In The City.  I mean come on!  They admitted to lesbianism on S.I.t.C. and Niles and Frasier weren't gay for each other, they were brothers.  If they are going to run stories they can at least watch the shows.   I'm so going to tell my "Frasier" fan blog about this.

They did have some good auto-tune:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/auto-tune-the-news-takes_n_473573.html


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: thrun on February 24, 2010, 02:16:08 PM
The video in the link is trustworthy though, you can skip the article if you want.  I just didn't feel like digging for another copy of it.



Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Nightstalker on February 24, 2010, 04:14:47 PM
Alright you two's, there'll be no disagreements from either of ya's on the validity of the Huffington Post.


This argument is officially over.

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Aa00hdqVdsiYdM:http://jshurwitz.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/security-police.jpg)


Lemme just go ahead and check back with dispatch to see where else i'm needed
  "10-9er, 10-9er... Come in Rando commando at Eagle's Perch. Can you hear me Eagle's Perch?"


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: thrun on February 24, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
Throne of lies. 


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Jim Tressel on February 24, 2010, 05:40:21 PM
Stupid.


Title: Re: Joseph Stack
Post by: Redbear8 on February 24, 2010, 07:07:26 PM
"Wine-er Dine-er 6-9er I read you loud and clear. Arguments must be ended, A.S.A.P."


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